If you're going to continue calling 2+2 corrupt for no reason, then yes, you might have to.

How is 2+2 ripping you off?

Believe it or not, it's possible for a mod, or mods, to disagree with your stance that a separate thread is needed, without 2+2 being corrupt or ripping you off.

Nope. They're definitely a very significant advertiser and a valued partner, but the majority of our advertising comes from elsewhere, since we have many advertising partners.

Then why did you start this thread? You don't get to decide who replies to your thread, sorry.

I asked you before who told you "it is to never happen", to which you responded "I suspect the same phantom that recently temp banned me". The only way you could've been told something like that and not know who told you was if it was in the ban reason. But when I asked you that, you said "I know right? I wasn't told a reason. me and you could brainstorm some, but for this instance so far its looking to be either fear of change or power of control".

So again, who told you "it is to never happen"?

As for why I originally locked this thread, I thought I was pretty clear; you were avoiding giving me a straight answer to either of my questions.

You may not have meant to imply it, but what do you expect people to think when you say "we" want a new thread? Unless you've spoken to other people about this, how can you possibly know that anyone but you wants it?

But thank you for finally answering my question; that wasn't so hard, was it? Now let's see if you can answer the other one (So again, who told you "it is to never happen"?), because that will provide some illumination as to who you should be speaking to about this.

Team Trousers told me it's not to happen. but I have no idea why I should have to discuss this with you. Bobo, you can't understand this, and any way I point out your inability to do so is going to sound egotistical. How do I tell you that you don't have the capacity to understand this simple reasoning?

2ndly if you had a clue, you would realize that I don't want to be the person to bring their name in this thread. Now if you can read between the lines, you won't ask "well who should bring them in the thread?" Because clearly I'm alluding to the person to bring themselves up. You just have to use your brain when discussing these issues with me. So should I be locked/banned/called a troll, simply because I don't want to directly call someone out?

And yes I'm being a little facetious towards you, but you'll notice I'm still not trying to fly off the handle, its just slightly frustrating when someone with mod powers follows you around and shuts down any ideas that they don't take the time to understand. I'm acting well within the guidelines.

The answers to the other questions you asked are over your head, so what I am I to do when you lock the discussion before some capable addresses it?

Because the players gain when the change is made, so I know that good profitable players want the change, because good players like +ev change. Its a concept that won't make sense to you, but good players like good decisions so we can make an assumption and know it's correct.

But instead of dealing with the issue at hand, you want to lock the discussion because you don't understand my use of the word 'we'. How about we cut the BS?

Because you started this thread. If you don't want to discuss it, don't start the thread.

Sigh. If only I was as clever as you.

Ah yes, the old thread creation in the hopes that the person you're calling out will respond. What a new and complex idea.

Has it occurred to you that I don't feel like playing that game with you? You constantly beat around the bush with novel-length posts that say very little; I wanted you to get to the point.

I don't have an answer to that very general question, but if you can't answer a simple question like whether "we" refers to someone specific, and then make some nonsense post about being drunk, yeah, I think it's a pretty easy lock as you had no interest in discussing things in a straightforward fashion. I don't know why you keep bringing up banning; I didn't ban you.

Following you around? You post in two forums that I read and do some moderating in - I've read very little of what you post in other forums. Don't flatter yourself; you don't get a moment of my thoughts when I haven't seen one of your threads in a forum I'm already reading.

WTF are you talking about? You've already answered the only two questions I wanted responses to.

Ah yes, standard Adyo/newguy condescension - he doesn't need to ask anyone what they think; he knows already, as he is always right. And if you disagree, it's because you're not as smart as he is.

And more standard adyo/newguy nonsense. If the way he words things isn't understood in the manner he wishes, it's never his fault, it's the fault of the person reading it.

Let's cut to the chase here. You have 2 options to move things forward in your attempt to get another thread:

1. Convince the mods of the forum in question that a new thread would be a good idea. Having some other posters that support the idea would help your cause a great deal.
2. Convince Mat Sklansky that he needs to overrule the moderators of the forum and allow you to start your thread. But given that Mat, for the most part, lets moderators run the forums the way they see fit, your chances may not be great. He steps in from time to time, but this doesn't seem like the kind of issue that would motivate him to interfere. But maybe you can convince him otherwise.

I mean to say that my posts are not novels or confusing, so the 'ignorance' game you play is quite transparent. It leaves me the only option of playing the game with you that you aren't smart enough to understand a simple concept.

Here's the problem:

Is that hard to understand?

I suspect we want to address this issue, because as it stands, I've been banned for giving a solution to a system held in place by this site that clearly costs the players.

So when I say 2 + 2 is ripping off the players, I really have a 2nd level intention in that statement, but its not really hidden or cryptic....its really clear what I mean: this needs to change or 2 + 2 cannot claim ignorance to the detrimental effects this has on the game.

When I initially asked you who "we" was, I had no idea if there was a collection of people who had been asking for the same thing as you - if there was, that would have been helpful information to have. Same goes for who had told you it wouldn't happen - whether it was a discussion you had with a moderator of that forum, a moderator of a different forum, or just a random poster or two, would again be useful information, as well as how it was communicated to you. I have no interest in playing games with you.

Never once have I claimed not to understand why you wanted a new thread; I've never even commented on it. I was simply trying to get to the bottom of whether others wanted it as well, and who you had spoken to about it, in order to help you with what you needed to do next. since you couldn't give straightforward answers to a couple of very simple questions, you didn't get any good advice.

Cliffs: One person asks for a -ev change in sng/mtts suggestions thread so stars says players asked for it which is why op keeps saying we didn't ask for it? Kind of confusing thread but very entertaining. I have to go with the op if I comprehended things correctly.

What is happening is you are experiencing my amazement that it is taking this long to address the issue, and that you insist on taking such a roundabout way. You want to get in depth in this sidetracking details, while accusing me of writing novels. When you ask who 'we' is, I don't appreciate the question because the concept stands on its own. You all need to see credibility to analyze a concept, I don't agree with that tradition. I don't agree with walking into a dojo and asking the instructor to see their credentials. It's rude and it blinds the person asking to see the credentials. The reason 'WE' showed up is a long story of how I try to not address players as 'him'. I don't think its morally right or fair that we use such masculine assumptions on our language. What you can't understand until you adopt such a change in your language is it really changes what these pronouns mean and how you would use them. I realize its a little awkward to read but its not really that hard to understand me. So I say 'we' as in 'we the players...' sort of like a satirical addressing of the situation. We should after all be allowed to have a little fun right, which i think is fair given the way this concept of unfair negotiation process for the players has been handled.

Also while posting on multiple forums, taking online university courses/reading audio books, and playing 30 tables, I don't always have time to properly proof read my thoughts.



Right so this is part of the problem you have in dialogue with me. But I am claiming you are just insta tilting (not saying you are freaking or you care so much, but that my use of language irks you in a way not favorable to me) rather than this being something that I need to change (although ive been working on it somewhat).

The reason it seems I said you claimed you didn't understand, is because you cannot possibly understand FULLY, if you do not immediately address the issue. So you might claim even that you do understand, but to me, you clearly don't until you get serious and direct about the issue.

This is why i have implied that you have said you didn't understand even though you haven't necessarily directly sated it.

You understand, and any reasonable player would, the problem is that this site is like 90% unreasonable players. This is a giant leak for the players and its not all i have to say on this issue. What i have done here is point out the most specific aspect I can, so that no mods can tell me I'm being confusing, spamming, or being a troll.

This has happened many times in the mttsng suggestions thread. Players have been complaining about it the entire time.

There is no excuse for this, and we stand to gain greatly once we admit the truth of this.

I don't mean to accuse the owners of maliciously and purposefully setting this system up, but in reality now that his has been pointed out, they are doing exactly that if they do not allow such a change or at the very least the discussion of it.

It's been addressed:

If you feel everything else is a derail, then move on.

You're reading far, far too much into the question. I'm not for a moment suggesting an idea can't stand on its own merits. But whether you agree with it or not, usually a business will pay more attention to a request for a change when multiple people are asking for it. That's it. I asked so as to find out if there were other people requesting the change, which might strengthen your case. It was a question designed to help you.

LOL, what? I was just going to let the whole "we" thing go with my answer above, until I read this. WTF are you talking about? Typing "What we are simply asking for" has absolutely nothing to do with gender neutrality. If you are presuming to talk for a larger group of players, then "we" is the correct word to use (of course one would expect you to actually know you were speaking for them rather than assuming you were). If you are only speaking for yourself, then you would say "What I am asking for". How would masculine assumptions ever come into this?

No it has not, all that has happened is you now know about this corrupt system going on, and you have done nothing to change it. The players are getting ripped off because of the way this site is being managed, its clear and its been pointed out.

The case doesn't need support, it stands FULLY on its own, it needs to get escalated until its changed. And I shouldn't have to be the one who does it, nor do I think its possible because I have a recent history of unknowledgable mods censoring my speech on this subject.

I don't think or act in terms of my own individual gain, so sometimes I naturally refer to myself as we. I'm not crazy in this way, I realize I am a certain person, but I choose not to approach language in the same way that you do. Its not something to laugh about, because its really your own ignorance to others that you are pointing at.

So yes you snap locked my thread because you didn't like the use of the word 'we'. Can we get past this game you are playing and address this giant leak created and held up by 2 + 2?

Adyo does not speak for us. We do not want a separate thread.

You've misunderstood, even tho Ive been clear, I am speaking for the players that like +ev decisions. I'm speaking for the intelligent good players.

ipso facto rollwave is a dumbass

"We" are defaulting to this opinion, lol. Sorry OP, but if you are going to make up your own rules for language, then you will have to live with the way that others perceive you.

I'm not involved enough in that thread to be convinced of anything being corrupt. But I'm not the one you need to convince.

Well, I'm not going to be escalating it, because I've got plenty on my plate as it is. I've tried to help you; if you don't want to take things any further, that's up to you. I don't drop everything I'm doing because one guy screams "corrupt" about a thread and forum I neither participate in nor moderate.

I'd appreciate it if you would stop misconstruing what I've said and done. As I've explained many, many times, I locked your thread because you weren't answering questions in a straightforward way, so the thread had become pointless. I'm ready to let that go, and have been for a while, but I'm not going to let your false statements stand unchallenged. I locked your thread, you finally answered the questions clearly, and I reopened it. Why are we still discussing this?

No, I was laughing at you bringing up gender neutrality when that had absolutely nothing to do with it. But if you feel the need to call it my ignorance, knock yourself out I guess.

Dear Adyo

You are not a nice person, as far as I can tell

You are not a smart person, as far as I can tell

You are not good at communicating, as far as I can tell

You are not good at understanding why your posts are not welcome here. You continue to insist that your bannings were for reason X (forever silenced, yo) and not for reason Y (the constant derailing, the paranoid ramblings, etc)

You're not a good poster.

Love,
Rusty

You might not know that at every turn for years here i have been ridiculed, berated and talked down to, all for the same very subject I am bringing to light here today. You'll notice I'm only ever snappy at those that should know better than to treat people like this, and those that have the intelligence to not treat people like this yet continue to do so.

I'm fine if you don't think I'm smart, and I'm not trying to convince anyone I am, but I am right so that makes it difficult when you impose such prejudices on me.
Yup, we've established my image is ****. But we still have the simple direct problem of 2 + 2 holding up a system that is essentially ripping off the players. Or is it like Bobo, that you won't seriously address the issue because you have decided I am not a worthy person?
This is why I bring this specific subject up. I want us to decide if fixing a giant leak in the players community is really paranoia or something that needs to be addressed immediately.

Take your tinfoil hat off

Again, stop misrepresenting what I say. I've addressed this as far as I'm willing to, because the issue is in a thread and forum in which I have no interest or knowledge. I've told you who can address it for you; stop making up reasons why other people won't address it to your satisfaction.

But the mods have destroyed any credibility I might have. So really you have me trapped on the subject don't you?

Why are the owners going to want to listen to someone that the mods keep locking their posts, deleting there thread, and banning them.

You know I don't have that option. Not until the mods that have been doing this admit to them (whoever has the power to enact change) that it was a mistake to ban this subject and that it needs to be considered.

And as for that specific forum section I wasn't told who banned me, and I wasn't given reason or warning. So whom do I address? And are you really telling me that I have to convince them, because clearly the do not understand this issue.

This is simple direct and real. Its not paranoia, its a leak. I'm not an idiot/******* because you fear change.

It was TeamTrousers.

And yes, of course that's what I'm telling you - how else do you think it would work? The forum is moderated by...the moderators of that forum.

You're allowed to make your case here, which I guess is what you've been doing. If you could do that well, maybe you'll convince other posters and moderators, and they may speak up on your behalf.

looked like he was saying that at first, but...

the record has been corrected to show that his snappy retort indicates that he finds me of sufficient intelligence to be worth retorting to.

So then we have outlined that this person does not have the mental capacity to understand this (or they are purposefully acting ignorant towards me on the issue):
Either way clearly they are not willing to address this.

Pretty sure that forum has 3 moderators.

Not that it matters - if your way of making your case is to diminish the mental capacity of the volunteers who are trying to help make the forum a better place, you're not likely to get any further with the other moderators.

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Note that I wasn't responding to your post.