This is a good question. I feel it is a back end admin job which you may need to PM mat or bobo with.

much better, boarding on acceptable. thanks to kiera and chuck for the work...and mat i guess (i'm feeling generous)

believe me, kiera is the only who deserves thanks.

Oh I believe you. lol

only thing that pops out at me is the quoted text size should be smaller then the posted text size and a gap is needed between the posted text and social media icons

Meh - I think the tried and tested 2+2 way of replying with a "+1" or "^ This" is far superior.

Clicking a button is so impersonal. It's clearly more heartfelt if you go through the bother of clicking 'quote/reply' and type out your agreement.

i'm glad you asked this. it's uncovered a big problem we'll need vanilla to address. please do make a new acct if you want to play around with posting.

Agree with 'Best buddys' points in his post especially the one about Headers and posts being almost the same colour (ones grey ones white) making none of the forum heads stick out and its just all jumbled together




If I do not open my browser to full screen it pushes the side bar to the bottom and makes navigating with it kind of strange


Above pic, scroll down and i see this



Full screen browser ill see this



The current forum no matter what size you make the browser the forum scales and the sidebar stays nicely on the left making it very easy to navigate and/or read while doing other things on your monitor



2) Although I suspect it might be possible to change it in settings once I can get logged in , I really dislike the default change to dark mode although I am likely in the minority I find it very underwhelming and harder to read on sites/apps when its in dark mode vs light mode which is probably why everything feels especially off to me.


3)

Once you are in one of the sub forums Its the same issue as above - Thread titles being almost the same colour as the describers underneath, nothing stands out its just all a jumble of text to me and super underwhelming unfortunately. Feels like thread titles should be bolded and/or bigger font to stand out more vs the views/comments/recent post etc.

April Fools is over

Light text with a dark background is a proven traffic killer. It's very difficult on the reader. Hopefully you guys can/will change that.

+1

I'd like to see this proof?

Anybody who knows anything uses a dark theme. Srsly - it's not even close. The current 2+2 slick-theme is pretty damn close to the best thing ever on the internets.

I'm not saying there aren't people with certain conditions that may require otherwise, but dark themes should be the default for any site.

Can we get some more specificity on when "migrating soon" is? a day? a week?

I apologize for not being able to answer this question, but I can't. There was a tremendous misunderstanding between us and the people at Vanilla at how this process was going to take place.

We've essentially started over with Kiera in charge, but there are only some things she can do herself, mostly in terms of design. There are other issues where we need Vanilla to make the fixes. I am going with the assumption they will work quickly and that's why "soon" is the word I'm optimistically choosing.

It would be useful to hear from people how important it is for there to be multiple options in terms of skins. As of now we don't have that option. And there's no way everyone can be pleased with that, but anyone who feels strongly about an unhappy medium should chime in here.

Holy God ugly.

Goodbye, 2+2.

+1

It looks awful

How is it a mandatory change if it has seemingly been a few weeks and you guys are still waiting on Soon (TM) from Vanilla forums it seems and we are all still using this forum? is it a business decision to switch and this forum could still exist as its existing now if it was decided on?

Just curious since I feel enough people like 2+2 how it is currently that crowd funding monthly costs would be no issue as long as it is done with care and transparency.
(Assuming the advertisements don't cover it already somehow)

Seems like a better option than nuking a forum that is somehow still quite popular after existing for 10+ years and forcing a controversial change and having half the userbase (or more) potentially hating the new design and stopping their use of it.

Graphic Design Discussion: How Color and Contrast Affect Readability

There has been a significant amount of research on inverted color schemes. A 1980 study from London found “dark characters on a light background are superior to light characters on a dark background… participants were 26% more accurate in reading text when they read it with dark characters on a light background.”

A study at Austin State University found “in every color combination surveyed, the darker text on a lighter background was rated more readable than its inverse (e.g. blue text on white background ranked higher than white text on blue background).”

Even advertising guru David Ogilvy, who did research in the 1970s, found that ads with black on white text had a three times higher response rate than ads with white on black text.

According to a 1989 study by the J Am Optom Assocation, 45% of the population has an astigmatism. This huge group finds it harder to read white text on black than black on white. That’s a lot of people who might not be able to read an ad, a webpage, a sign, because the designer did not consider readability.

And there are other factors. Consider reading something on your laptop or cellphone. If the user is in a bright room or outdoors, then white type on black background can become unreadable.

When to Use White Text on a Dark Background

Paragraph Text
The kind of text that users read is paragraph text. You should avoid using white text on a dark background when displaying paragraph text to make it easier for them to read. Forcing users to fixate on the white text for a long time can strain the user’s eyes. This is because white stimulates all three types of color sensitive visual receptors in the human eye in nearly equal amounts [source]. This makes reading white paragraph text on dark backgrounds stressful on the eyes.

White also reflects all wavelengths of light. Because the words and letters in paragraph text are compact and close together, when white text reflects light, the reflected light scatters and runs into neighboring words and letters. This makes the shape of the words and letters harder to perceive, which affects readability. Compare that with black text, where the black absorbs the light around each word and letter, making them easy to distinguish.

That’s why a better choice for displaying paragraph text is black text on a light background with a tint of gray. With a gray tint background, less light reflects behind the words, making it easier on the eyes. The black text works better because black is also a color that doesn’t reflect light in any part of the visible spectrum [source]. Therefore, fixating on black text while reading won’t put as much stress on the user’s eyes because it absorbs the light that hits each word.

Red flag.


Can you please explain the reasoning for wanting to go with Vanilla instead of the most recent version of vBulletin? From the big changes thread:



Also, what about this:



?

After seeing this I tried the slick skin and it's unreadable for me. I could never use a forum like that.

All the current skins to choose from on this current vBulletin software are fixed width and worse than the default 2+2 skin. So what about the default 2+2 skin makes it so special?

In Chrome if I click more tools - developer tools, it shows the elements. Can you just copy all that to Vanilla? Will that make it like the default 2+2 skin?

Your comments would really pop with neon glow. Just sayin.

from the interweb:

We need to have an option to see 100 posts per page.
Also, some longer quotes do not look good: https://pokerforum.twoplustwo.com/di...mment_55563603

There is no "back to top" button anywhere if you are at bottom of any given page, can this please be added

Guess I'm a Luddite. But I'd think if reading white letters on a dark background were easier on the eye and brain, Microsoft Word would have used that format and the printing and newspaper presses of the 20th century before it.