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07-24-2011 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ludovic Banhammer
Look, the point is neither of them have a realistic chance of ever being elected (or even of being a credible candidate). Also, feel free to set up a poll to find out if people actually think that one in a million is much more than zero.
0.000001 is not a much better chance than 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001 ?
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07-24-2011 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
criticism/suggestions are fine. my point is that this issue has been complained about time and time again including gregorios 6 page thread and the administration made their position extremely clear. further whining is useless and annoying
this.
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07-24-2011 , 11:30 AM
Please replace Gary Johnson's photo with one of Pat Paulsen and all of this will make much more sense.
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07-24-2011 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Subterranean
0.000001 is not a much better chance than 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001 ?
Not in the real world, it isn't. If you want to dance on mathematical pinheads and point out that one is however many orders of magnitude more likely than the other, that's fine (and I do understand that), but the point, obviously, is that Gary Johnson, like OP, has no meaningful chance of becoming President, or even a credible contender for President.
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07-24-2011 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Le Gonso
I guess this is what we have to look forward to for 18 months of each election cycle now
Especially as Gary Johnson appears to want to run for President every time there's an election.
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07-24-2011 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ludovic Banhammer
Especially as Gary Johnson appears to want to run for President every time there's an election.
Running for President is the new way to build a mailing list to get a PAC going. You don't even have to be credible anymore.
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07-24-2011 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky
+1

and if you want to promote him here, than allow us to promote who we believe in.

the double standard and hypocrisy is pretty ****ed up. mods/owners/founders...if you believe in GJ and want to promote him in NVG (and break your own rules), then great...but we should be allowed to promote whichever candidates we endorse here, as well (and the guideline should be VOID)
Your logic. It sucks.
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07-24-2011 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gummybearz
I like your thoughts on the poll, im just so tilted with all the ads thats what came to my mind first.
There's an easy solution to this...

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When it comes to supporting our own candidates there is a double standard indeed
No, there's not. One side owns this website and can do what they want with it. The other side (you) do not own this website and therefore cannot do whatever you want with it.
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07-24-2011 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LeapFrog
Ok, let me boil it down. Should users of a service/product be able to offer criticism to the owners in an attempt to the improve the product/service without being shouted down and told to go elsewhere? Is there some exception about internet forums?
Who said anything about not being able to offer criticism?

What's being "shouted" at the OP is how horrible his logic is when it comes to this "double standard" talk. There is no double standard, because site owners and posters who visit that site are not on equal footing in the first place.

If they were letting certain posters advertise a political candidate while disallowing others from doing so, then we'd have a double standard to talk about.
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07-26-2011 , 06:43 AM
2+2 is not a monopoly, other candidates can run their ads elsewhere and get the exposure they need, so no complaint from me about the ads running here, or the open support of 2+2 management.

My only peeve is the phrase "the people's president", it makes it sound like he is running for chairman of the supreme soviet.
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07-27-2011 , 02:39 PM
Gary Johnson needs exposure, as his message resonates with a large segment of the general population and the Republican party. There has not been a credible, solid libertarian candidate in the recent past. Even if Gary is not elected, he steers the political dialogue towards more libertarian views.
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07-27-2011 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
I'm positive that if Ron Paul would have called Mason, shown up at the 2+2 party in Las Vegas, and publicly talked about his support of the legalization and regulation of online poker in the U.S. that Mason would have supported him first. If Ron Paul were to do all of that stuff now Mason and 2+2 would probably consider throwing some of their support behind him and/or switching their allegiance to Ron if he stays alive in the race longer than Gary.
No, if you've followed his political beliefs at all Mason pretty clearly does not like Ron Paul, he's had plenty of opportunities to support him in the past. Let's not pretend that Mason is a libertarian.
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07-27-2011 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Let's not pretend that Ron Paul is a libertarian.
Fixed.
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07-27-2011 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Grasshopp3r
Gary Johnson needs exposure, as his message resonates with a large segment of the general population and the Republican party. There has not been a credible, solid libertarian candidate in the recent past. Even if Gary is not elected, he steers the political dialogue towards more libertarian views.
wat
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07-29-2011 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky
^ Great story, Mason... but it doesn't apply to me or my agenda.

I love poker, and I will always fight for the legalization of online play, but I don't come here to see or hear about your personal journey that led you to Gary Johnson's campaign support. Frankly, I couldn't give less of a damn.

Here is my story:
I remember Jon Stewart really pushing the issue on his show as well. It was really amazing to see people rally behind the cause.

Many people reading this may say, I don't feel like my views are respected...I feel like I'm being force-fed a candidate that has nothing to do with anything I come here to enjoy.
........FYI your sob story while unfortunate doesn't have anything to do with GJ, gaming or poker either. 2p2 users are not monolithic in their views towards GJ. Why should your views be given deference over anyone else's?

Also love how you rudely say "Frankly, I couldn't give less of a damn" and then expect anyone should be influenced by or feel empathy towards your manifesto sized rant. You give the John Stewart show & his hand picked audience of lap dogs any credence? really? level? I'm sure your dad's claim would have ended up the same way with or without Mr Stewart.

Which brings me to the real issue here is about choice. If I turn on comedy central I want to see comedy not political infotainment masquerading as a comedy show. Which is why i choose not to watch it when certain shows are running. I hate At&t and Zipcars, but guess what.. I just ignore the ads. You and OP can do the same and choose to go elsewhere if you let it bother you that much. As other posters have said 2p2 isn't the only game in town.

I don't think GJ has a snowball's chance in New Mexico to win anything, but if his candidacy calls attention to the plight of poker players and restrictions on personal freedom of choice then it is a good thing. More relevant to this site, than anecdotal tales of woe. If the forum owner wants to promote something, he's the owner you and OP are not. Hopefully, attempts to brow beat him into change will fail.

Lastly, the poll proves nothing, since the wording of the question has an inherent bias which skews the results and any honest attempt to garnish the true feelings of 2p2 users in a quantifiable manner. If you added a third choice to the poll "I don't care about this issue and I wish people would stop creating polls" I'll lay you odds that the ambivalent super majority would win running away.
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07-30-2011 , 12:03 AM
I was tilted the last few weeks trying to figure out who he looks like... just figured it out

Spoiler:
Marty Funkhouser

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07-30-2011 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Gummybearz
I like your thoughts on the poll, im just so tilted with all the ads thats what came to my mind first. When it comes to supporting our own candidates there is a double standard indeed



True, he's looking to establish poker. I just have a hard time trusting politicians, i look at him being an opportunist knowing that the poker market is hungry and probably an easy way to fund a campaign.
This is what I thought. I gave him a chance until I did research. I just don't trust this guy and think he is using poker as his in. The only subject I even was on his side with was poker. Albeit that is a very big part of my life, the rest doesn't fit with me.

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Originally Posted by ducatiboy
fwiw - politicians are only after one thing, that's your vote so they can get a job / stay in their (current) job.

From what I've read on this guy, my opinion is that he has seen an opportunity to 'zig' when everyone else has 'zagged', and as a politician who has a minor chance of success, this is exactly what you need to do to stand out, to get noticed, to get TV time ... to get your vote. In this I don't chastise him for doing this - this is exactly what politicians are about.

Whilst they will use the thin veil of authenticity on a subject, and in most cases, this is noble of them on specific issues, at the end of it all, they (politicians or political candidates) are all after the power to be in power until the next election.

As a relatively famous Russian politician (Nikita Khrushchev, 1894 - 1971) once said :




Caveat - I'm an Australian, and this is my opinion on the situation here on 2+2
see above statement


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Originally Posted by Cliffs?
The lol drama queen level this is getting taken to (@OP, ArcadianSky and a few others) is amazing.

No one is forcing anyone to contribute or even read any of the GJ threads if they don't want to, just as no one is forcing you to read a forum you don't wish to read. No one is shoving anything down your throat as a condition of using the site.

You have a right to ignore all of it. If you are not interested or agree with the GJ push, ignore his banner ads as I ignore 99.99% of all the other banner ads and move on with your day, participating in the rest of the site. If this bothers you so much you also have to option to stop visiting the site.

If you open your mind, and look at the complete package you will probably like what you see.
Reading Mason's various posts, its obvious that his decision to back and promote GJ is not single issue. If you don't like what you see or have more questions, there are several threads where the issues are getting openly discussed. Dissenting views are allowed. How can you not like that, or the access we have directly to the candidate and his campaign staff?
again, see above statement


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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
if i dont like the meal i was served then i wont go back, i dont complain and then go back and complain again and then go back and complain again and then go back and complain again. theres millions of options.
I too have thought about leaving this site because of their conservative views. Some other reasons too.


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Originally Posted by Rhubarbwp
Can someone clarify for me:

Is this a Gary Johnson meta thread or level three thinking Gary Johnson thread?

FWIW It tilts the hell out of me seeing all the GJ stuff all over here and I thought about leaving 2+2.

Then I grew up and realised tilting is bad. Very bad.
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08-01-2011 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Grasshopp3r
Gary Johnson needs exposure, as his message resonates with a large segment of the general population and the Republican party. There has not been a credible, solid libertarian candidate in the recent past. Even if Gary is not elected, he steers the political dialogue towards more libertarian views.
I would agree with this sentiment entirely. For all those who say he is "not serious" or "not qualified," might I ask what you are basing those statements on? Have you looked at his resume and compared it to the so-called "front-runners"? I would argue that this country needs a very different kind of president than those we have elected in the past, and with the advantage of the internet, we ought to be able to overcome these "can't win" and "not serious" labels.

Should we really just accept the fact that big special interest money controls American politics and elect another glad-handing politician who will maintain the status quo? Should we really just accept that a small group of social conservatives should get to determine the Republican Party's nominee? I don't think that's the way to go at all.

I don't know what Johnson's exact odds are of winning, but I do know this: his odds of educating the media and the general public about the DOJ poker crackdown (and other issues he is raising) are 100%. He has been telling people everywhere he goes about how online poker players have gotten screwed, and judging from the reactions I've seen, most people are not even aware of the issue unless they are players.

People are just beginning to pay attention in New Hampshire, but voters here will give Gary Johnson a fair hearing -- will you?
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08-01-2011 , 12:07 PM
Yeah, because debating a guy from the Johnson campaign is really going to go anywhere.
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08-01-2011 , 12:36 PM
Frankly, I'm fed up with Gary Johnson and would really appreciate the mods not shoving him down our throats. I honestly don't care which views he espouses.
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08-01-2011 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ZRocketman
but I do know this: his odds of educating the media and the general public about the DOJ poker crackdown (and other issues he is raising) are 100%.
wtf does this sentence even mean?
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08-01-2011 , 01:59 PM
Could care less about him on here, tbh think it's good for poker if he supports online poker so why not. However I don't care for his ads though, the new notice popping up, constant ads for donating to his campaign etc.

Weird how 2p2 is allowing his ads and him to set up camp here for his campaign and in the past you weren't even allowed to create a fundraiser for cancer, really doesn't add up. If you set ground rules you should stick to them imo.

Not trying to be rude, but we all know he is not winning correct? There is just no way he is, thats why I'm not really sure why this is being taken so seriously if he won't win, hence can't change the landscape for online poker?
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08-01-2011 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sdgullsfan84
Frankly, I'm fed up with Gary Johnson and would really appreciate the mods not shoving him down our throats. I honestly don't care which views he espouses.
Who are these mods that are shoving him down your throat?
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08-01-2011 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Turb0Licious
Weird how 2p2 is allowing his ads and him to set up camp here for his campaign and in the past you weren't even allowed to create a fundraiser for cancer, really doesn't add up. If you set ground rules you should stick to them imo.
It's not really that weird, and has been addressed numerous times; if not in this thread, then certainly in the other ATF Gary Johnson thread.

Cliffs: Owners gunna own.
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08-01-2011 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
It's not really that weird, and has been addressed numerous times; if not in this thread, then certainly in the other ATF Gary Johnson thread.

Cliffs: Owners gunna own.
Yeah Mason linked me to the official statement from 2+2 on Gov Johnson, which I understand from a business and poker perspective if 2+2 and the management believe he will help the regulation of online poker. I guess I just wasn't up to date on the whole situation as much as others, and maybe missed that.

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What are we to do when Gov Johnson does not win? Will he still post on here? Will he try and change the landscape of online poker in anyway shape or form that he can, even if he is not elected president? I'm just trying to narrow in on what we can expect, thats all.
From my other post.
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