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Old 05-15-2015, 04:48 PM   #151
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

Oh right, we need to trust conservatives to know when the supposition that a black guy is a car thief based explicitly on racial stereotypes is racist.
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Old 05-15-2015, 04:55 PM   #152
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So, what's the case that a guy who's got a rap sheet from 10 different mods across approximately as many forums, including multiple varied infractions from different mods for racist posting, should be let back because the domineering Wookie is being unreasonable?
At times he could be slightly incomprehensible and I'm guessing this posting style got him a lot of his infractions aswel. But I never saw him rage or get really personal with insults to other posters.



Racism is bad and he obviously should be punished. I can think of other posters who have posted overt racist stuff and are still not banned (greear/dkgo/bruce being obv examples). I would like to think Spike hasn't been bad enough for a perma.

Also he's old as **** and I get the impression the forums mean a lot to him.

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Is spike the guy who posted about being a street person?
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Old 05-15-2015, 05:27 PM   #153
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At times he could be slightly incomprehensible and I'm guessing this posting style got him a lot of his infractions aswel. But I never saw him rage or get really personal with insults to other posters.



Racism is bad and he obviously should be punished. I can think of other posters who have posted overt racist stuff and are still not banned (greear/dkgo/bruce being obv examples). I would like to think Spike hasn't been bad enough for a perma.

Also he's old as **** and I get the impression the forums mean a lot to him.

This is my case





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I agree with this. The truth is I am not a huge Spike fan, but for the reasons stated above maybe some mercy can be shown. O.k. that's all I am done.
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Old 05-15-2015, 05:45 PM   #154
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

ild makes some good points.it should also be known that 4L is a dying forum and by perma'ing a regular you are also killing this forum quicker. yes, this means that 4L posters should never be banned.
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Old 05-15-2015, 06:00 PM   #155
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

If a poster has a known condition or disability, it is a bannable offense to repeatedly target that poster for their condition or disability after being asked to stop?

If not, why? How does allowing that kind of personal harassment increase the social ability of all forum users and present a good look for the community? Why would anyone want to give harassers free reign to target people for things they can't control?

People get banned for stuff like spikes alleged stereotyping that is not even personally targeted, but personally abusive behavior is easily overlooked or accepted. Do they all think it is funny? Can anyone explain why and intelligently support it?
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Old 05-15-2015, 06:12 PM   #156
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

spanky, are you saying you should be banned for making thousands of abusive and insulting posts over the past 9+ months while contributing absolutely nothing substantive to any topic, ever? Or are you saying you should never be banned because you are incapable of behaving any other way?
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Old 05-15-2015, 06:24 PM   #157
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Zik zak, you are lying. Face it, it's not a good look. Do you want to continue that behavior here, really?

The Unchained bad poster thread too hot for you?
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Old 05-15-2015, 06:47 PM   #158
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What am I lying about?
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Old 05-15-2015, 07:02 PM   #159
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

I made a post with substance in this thread before zik zak posted about me. Zik zak you can demonstrate your ability for knowledge and substance by responding to the substance of that post. Assume this is a serious thread about why people get banned.
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Old 05-15-2015, 07:04 PM   #160
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Do some posters believe their substance don't stink?.
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Old 05-15-2015, 07:06 PM   #161
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What am I lying about?

It's called implication. You made the same accusations without the implication in the bad poster thread today in unchained. A reasonable person can conclude what you are doing for themselves.
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Old 05-15-2015, 07:12 PM   #162
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

If you mean I am trying to get you to stop posting in forums and threads I read, you are absolutely right.
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Old 05-15-2015, 07:18 PM   #163
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If you mean I am trying to get you to stop posting in forums and threads I read, you are absolutely right.
Oh. Why are you bringing your personal vendetta here? Are you unaware of the software features and add-ons which makes such activity useless?
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Old 05-15-2015, 07:22 PM   #164
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Do some posters believe their substance don't stink?.
Normally, people can describe the quality and nature of a stink. Perhaps with categories or by comparison with other stinks.

However, I'm just trying to get a read from mods and posters on how bad posting a racist generalization is compared to posting really personal harassment.
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Old 05-15-2015, 08:33 PM   #165
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

I ask that question because a friendly acquaintance of mine was possibly doxxed on this site last weekend. This happened after several posters took personal posts, life story kind of stuff, out of one forum and into another forum with limited moderation and then harassed him about those posts over the last few months.

I'm just trying to figure out why that is not as bad as posting a racist generalization?

On related note, most of those same posters have since started a ban campaign against me, since I have openly called-out their behavior in the harassment matter.
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Old 05-15-2015, 10:42 PM   #166
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I'm just trying to figure out why that is not as bad as posting a racist generalization?
What makes you think anyone is saying it is...or isn't? It would depend on the forum, the moderator, the thread, the context, etc. It's not like there's some checklist/ranking of offenses.

But I can't see how you wouldn't already know this, so I don't know what the point of your posts is, other than to fire up yet another debate.
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Old 05-15-2015, 10:55 PM   #167
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What makes you think anyone is saying it is...or isn't? It would depend on the forum, the moderator, the thread, the context, etc. It's not like there's some checklist/ranking of offenses.

But I can't see how you wouldn't already know this, so I don't know what the point of your posts is, other than to fire up yet another debate.
I don't know many people's opinion on the matter beyond the limited information bubble of the forum in question. It's the first time I have witnessed such an event. Is it accurate to think people need some help here?

I don't even think banning is the answer, just some better articulated boundaries.

Another reason I ask I'll frame as an example.

Let's say a poster has a variable in language use capability due to disorder, previous condition, or birth circumstance. Would repeatedly targeting that poster for their language use capability, even after they have made multiple requests to stop, be more or less objectionable behavior compared to a poster using racial or sexist slur out of anger one time?

Should people stop doing this kind of posting stuff?
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Old 05-15-2015, 10:56 PM   #168
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

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If a poster has a known condition or disability, it is a bannable offense to repeatedly target that poster for their condition or disability after being asked to stop?

If not, why? How does allowing that kind of personal harassment increase the social ability of all forum users and present a good look for the community? Why would anyone want to give harassers free reign to target people for things they can't control?

People get banned for stuff like spikes alleged stereotyping that is not even personally targeted, but personally abusive behavior is easily overlooked or accepted. Do they all think it is funny? Can anyone explain why and intelligently support it?
spank has a very good point here. But I think racism is a notch worse, history shows how horrible it is. But let's go after the personal harassments next.
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Old 05-15-2015, 11:18 PM   #169
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

I'd really like to know why a group of posters who behaves in the way described, would also get to decide who accesses the forum where they commit that type of behavior? It's an odd way to handle harassment.

Wouldn't the correct choice be to end that kind of anti-social, personally-targeted behavior and then the pressure of it being openly discredited, possibly ban-worthy would disappear.
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:00 AM   #170
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

I would say your best bet would be to discuss the issues with the moderator(s) of the forum(s) in question, and if you don't like their response, talk to Mat. Your questions are all unanswerable (in any meaningful way) in this thread.

Or you could just worry less about trying to correct everyone's behaviour all the time.
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:04 AM   #171
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I would say your best bet would be to discuss the issues with the moderator(s) of the forum(s) in question, and if you don't like their response, talk to Mat. Your questions are all unanswerable (in any meaningful way) in this thread.

Or you could just worry less about trying to correct everyone's behaviour all the time.
I have no interest in correcting anyone's behavior. That is up to them. Well you don't have any answers to those questions, I accept that.

Is it fair to ask, Would you like to be treated that way, or a similar manner, where you usually have posted for years?
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:24 AM   #172
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spike got banned from 4chan for being racist. I didn't even know that was possible
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Old 05-16-2015, 11:06 AM   #173
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spike got banned from 4chan for being racist. I didn't even know that was possible
what the I don't even

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Old 05-16-2015, 11:12 AM   #174
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Re: Finding out why posters have been Banned?

Mr wookie, what is your moral view on personally targeted online harassment?

Should posters be allowed to defend themselves if repeatedly targeted for stuff like their language use capability or for mental health conditions?

Or should that kind of harassment be bannable behavior so people don't have to defend themselves or others?
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Old 05-16-2015, 11:18 AM   #175
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Posters can use the ignore function, particularly if they find themselves in forums designed for personal attacks
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