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Apropos your avatar is a snake. Your squirming is pathetically transparent. Can't wait for your next condescending lecture on business that reveals you know basically nothing about the topic. Like your 'guarantee' to Mat that if he'd only clean up these damn bigots the people would flock to this site. LOL

11-09-2017 , 05:23 PM

#103

Loki

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Funny how upset you get when others use your own argument tactics against you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

Nit: shifting goalposts is an informal fallacy :P

Nit: I never claimed otherwise

11-09-2017 , 05:34 PM

#104

well named

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Nit^3: You wrote "I can see you've never studied formal logic", which certainly implied that, had he done so, he would have learned about goal post moving as a formal logical fallacy.

Or at least, I can't imagine reading it otherwise.

Anyway the point is if you're going to get some logical fallacy burns in you has to be careful because there's a lot of pedantic *******s on the internet

11-09-2017 , 05:40 PM

#105

auralex14

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Ah, ok. So we're done here? Fine by me.

My advice to you would be to stick to what you know (being offended, protesting, etc) and you won't leave yourself so vulnerable to humiliation.

11-09-2017 , 05:41 PM

#106

MinusEV

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The trend with pointing out logical fallacies in internet debates these days is meant to make debates more orderly and clean, but it usually does the opposite and spawns a second (third++) debate about why the argument doesn't fall in under the fallacy and how pointing it out as a fallacy is the actual fallacy.

So - formal and informal fallacy fallacies. Discuss.

11-09-2017 , 05:43 PM

#107

well named

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The point is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women*. As I understand it.

* also the men.

11-09-2017 , 05:57 PM

#108

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

This is also a fallacy

Quote:

I can see you've never studied formal logic, which is a shame, because you might have learned about the obvious logical fallacies you keep engaging in.

Those studying X learn Y was a fallacy
Fallacy Y was committed
Therefore X wasn't studied

The wookian fallacy is far more interesting:

Some don't think there's any difference between X and Y
Others think there is
Therefore all sorts of claims that don't follow at all

It comes up a lot in various forms

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11-09-2017 , 07:16 PM

#109

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

I can see you've never studied formal logic, which is a shame, because you might have learned about the obvious logical fallacies you keep engaging in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

This is also a fallacy

Those studying X learn Y was a fallacy
Fallacy Y was committed
Therefore X wasn't studied

Ouch. I can hear the lamentations of the well named women after that sack. Well done.

11-09-2017 , 07:19 PM

#110

leavesofliberty

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

Nit: shifting goalposts is an informal fallacy :P

Tapping the tank

11-09-2017 , 07:27 PM

#111

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Ouch. I can hear the lamentations of the well named women after that sack. Well done.

Yeah, I'm not sure where misattribution of quotes fits in here.

11-09-2017 , 07:30 PM

#112

auralex14

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Jesus, how can we even be sure Zeno was the one who said this stuff?

11-09-2017 , 07:32 PM

#113

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

Tapping the tank

Wat?

11-09-2017 , 07:32 PM

#114

pvc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

Yeah, I'm not sure where misattribution of quotes fits in here.

Ha. Sorry about that. It was Noodle that got sacked and has the lamenting women.

You know you just mis-attributed too right?

11-09-2017 , 07:34 PM

#115

auralex14

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That was the joke

11-09-2017 , 07:37 PM

#116

well named

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11-09-2017 , 07:38 PM

#117

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Quote:

Originally Posted by auralex14

Jesus, how can we even be sure Zeno was the one who said this stuff?

I provided links. 2 don't work anymore, but I think dereds can affirm one of those.

11-09-2017 , 07:41 PM

#118

auralex14

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My god.

Ya'll need to head back to the protective embrace of Wookie.

11-09-2017 , 07:42 PM

#119

pvc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by auralex14

That was the joke

Just checking.

11-09-2017 , 08:32 PM

#120

leavesofliberty

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Mine was also a joke fail.

11-10-2017 , 01:25 AM

#121

Loki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

Then you should hit up the google some time. Informal logic != informal logical fallacies

11-10-2017 , 07:38 AM

#122

leavesofliberty

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Meh, I thought informal logical fallacies were something included in an intro to logic class, or a rhetoric class. And, more advanced classes focused on formal logic, and other forms of specialized logic.

11-10-2017 , 09:11 AM

#123

rafiki

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Is this thread what got Toothsayer banned? Or I guess a collection of similar ones.

Bummed he got perm'd frankly. He contributed a lot of interesting ideas in some thread, maybe controversial ones in others. Still think if the path is to continue to ban people like him the site is on it's way to finally dying. We can't all agree on everything. I certainly didn't agree with everything he posted. But I'm glad he participated in ways that would make me think about topics I'm interested in.

11-10-2017 , 09:21 AM

#124

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Originally Posted by rafiki

He admitted in his farewell message that he was basically trolling the entire time. My god some of you are hopelessly gullible.

11-10-2017 , 09:29 AM

#125

zikzak

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Apparently tptb have decided to hide evidence that an obvious troll was allowed to spread bigotry and hate on the site for 2 years and have deleted that message.

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