That nazi stuff is, umm, very bad.

Not that anyone particularly cares but I now support nuking this whole operation. People like Sushy and Wil shouldn't be welcome to post about politics. Not to be rubbing it in but chez and whosnext definitely shouldn't be welcome to mod posts about politics, I mean jfc.

I'm sorry for the bad takes.

in my initial post I did not mention anything about a rally.

in my next post I did offer that it was possible that Sushy did not defend the nazis, tho very unlikely.

I then quickly found evidence of him defending Gorka, a man well known to be involved with a nazi affiliated group.

and it looks like 57 did the work for me and my 2nd hunch was indeed correct. (shocking)

unfortunately, you cant quote posts from p7. and it is also unfortunate that a tremendous burden is put on the honest posters to prove unequivocally that trolls like sushy actually did mean what the said. while ppl like sushy and juan can run amok posting false narratives and false characterizations.

anyway, heres the text.

Max makes this sarcastic remark "Hey if she had just stayed home she would not have gotten herself mowed down."

which susy instantly agrees with

"Sadly, that's true.

Both sides went there expecting violence and that's what happened. Surprise, surprise.

Stay home and let the idiots have their stupid rally. They don't get any publicity and no one gets hurt."

this is sushy quite clearly offering excuses for the nazis and blaming the ppl opposing them.

then he lies

"I'm not making excuses for anybody. Just suggesting that people use a bit of common sense. It seems to be an outdated concept these days."

and continues to blame the victim

"Both sides acted violently. That's a fact."

"They were legally entitled to have a rally. If they had been left alone to pursue their legal right, no one would have got hurt."

again, he advocates that you should not protest nazis and should stay home

"To avoid a confrontation, yes. Common sense 101.

If they do anything illegal, let the police deal with it."

and just blatant lies again. its getting old. oh ya, this was in response to a warning from chez. theres really not telling if chez deleted any of his really offensive posts, which was routine behavior by chez over these few days.

"I repeat, I'm not blaming anyone . I'm simply suggesting a way it could have been avoided."

bladesman makes this post "I'm not blaming the victims, I'm just saying the Nazis are on the streets and you should stay indoors or get killed. That's democracy!"

and just a few posts after sushy asserts he is not blaming the victims responds by, you guessed it, blaming the victim.

"Or perhaps not violently confront them."

never once does sushy say that it is a bad thing that we had nazis and supremacists marching in the street. in fact, in a few posts he expresses that they indeed had a legal right to be there. tbf, he does call the idiots at least once. but no, he never expresses any sort of outrage that they are marching or that they are committing violence.

he places all of the blame with the counter protesters and at one point makes it seem that every counter protester was a part of antifa and therefore violent themselves.

his intention and meaning is perfectly clear. nazis are not bad. opposing nazis is bad. nazis have a right to exist and express themselves. you oppose them at your own risk and it is not their fault if they hurt you, rather it is your fault. and finally, if you oppose nazis then you are part of antifa, which is a violent group.

You are condemning nazis and mods who don't act like nazis in the same post.

See, this is the problem with these idiots and how they distort the truth by cherry picking parts of posts and taking them out of context.


Here are the full posts in question:

"Sadly, that's true. Both sides went there expecting violence and that's what happened. Surprise, surprise.
Stay home and let the idiots have their stupid rally. They don't get the publicity and no one gets hurt. It was a tragic event that could have been avoided."

"They're a bunch of moronic asshats, but that doesn't mean they can't have a rally. if you treat them as the idiots that they are and ignore them they will probably go away. They only do it because of the attention they get."

Only a ****** would think that is defending Nazis.

What do you think of The Paradox of Tolerance and Poppers conclusion?

Some stuff should def get nuked on sight and Flys tirades how Chez coaches specific posters to be horrible just to the accepted limit might have a point.

I've endorsed Popper's reasoning publicly at least once in the past year.

However, your opinion information should get 'nuked on sight' isn't persuasive, for I don't equate hiding or destroying information with the reasonable resisting of intolerance as a further matter of sense and reason.

Seriously, these leftists are the most dishonest people. It's quite mind boggling how they distort the truth. It's almost pathological.

sushy, your posts stand on their own. you lack of criticism is telling.

so, again, I go back to my original post. if you dont want to be criticized, then dont defend nazis.

You need psychological help buddy. Jesus, what is it with these guys?

u triggered

This is just blatant lying.

For example, the notable speech incidences in P7 following Heather Heyer's death weren't particularly intolerant about anyone. That situation more involved fighting words and can be used to demonstrate how nazi-types try to goad people into acrimonious argument. Breeding miserable conflict which leads to places being shut down- both hiding the how nazis speak from educable readers and giving nazis a narrative to make accusations about intolerance towards their enemies.

Members of my family fought the Nazis during the 2nd World War, you ****ing half-wit.

One uncle was killed and another was a prisoner of war.

Yeah, I am actually.

Lying ass-wipes like you have that effect on me.

I'm going to log out now, before I say something that will get me banned.

Nope. You do realize your posts still exist?

Nope. I posted your own words.

Link?

who was the guy that said 'yo i've read that the murder was actually a false flag operation by the jews with the intention of destroying the reputation of the rally goers'

now, you see, if I were moderating PU I wouldn't moderate any of these posts. Yes, they're horrible, terrible, bad, and not good. But just let broadway get repeatedly dunked on for his horrendous posting.

There were more than one IIRC.

my memory says that one reg posted it and a handful of others said 'oh thats very interesting'. but its been a while

maybe someone with the special sauce necessary to see those posts can confirm/deny

That was mongidig

It was mongidig. The post is here.

My opinion is that posts like that should absolutely have earned a swift banning, whereas while I find sushy's posts supremely distasteful (the implied victim blaming) I don't think they qualify as defending nazis or spreading nazi propaganda in the way that post does.

I think, in retrospect, if something like this ever happened again my temptation would be to just lock the thread for a couple of days. I don't think most of the posts (again, the above and similar excepted) really qualify as defending nazis exactly, but the victim blaming and whataboutism is pretty nauseating in the wake of an event like that. Much like forbidding offensive conspiracy theories about Sandy Hook, I think I'm comfortable with banning offensive whataboutism in the immediate aftermath of a violent nazi rally on the same grounds.

Funny thing is, all of my posts about Charlottesville were mainly concerned with trying to figure out how Heather Heyer's death could possibly have been avoided. That was my intention . A misguided one maybe.

But there you go. Now I'm Adolf Hitler reincarnated, apparently.

P.S. In no way was I trying to blame the victim, although it may have come across that way. Heather Heyer was not at fault in any way.