stop complaining.

also, there are now two threads in this forum where political discussion is not being stifled.

it's like a mini unchained. now is your opportunity to say something meaningful on this site without fear that you will be banned or exiled.

That might be your best bet to please the unpleasable. Just make an official unchained thread and let the discussion begin.

I think it's probably more likely that this would lead to your unhappiness than to mine.

I'm still attracted to the idea in theory, for the same reasons I was in the past, but I'm not sure how to do it in a way that wouldn't lead to the same complaints that PU/P7 generated, even if the specific issue that led to P7 being closed was avoided.

That is, I think I could satisfy the requirement that the forum not be tolerant of the kind of white supremacist propaganda that was posted after Charlottesville, but I doubt that it's possible to have an alternative politics forum that would satisfy complaints about the main forum being a liberal echo chamber while also satisfying the liberal politics regs that the alternative forum was not just a cesspool of bigotry and ****posting. I think I could satisfy myself that the forum was modded in a way that satisfied both requirements (with some difficulty!), and maybe I could convince like 5 other people also, but never everybody.

So, my advice is that if you consider the idea of yet another incarnation of an alternative politics forum, you probably shouldn't think of it as a way of reducing the amount of complaining, because I doubt that's really possible. I don't even think I could promise that you'd get significantly different complaints. If I was really successful I might think the complaints had less merit than before, if not less volume. Basically, I'm not sure that there's anything in the idea that's of any benefit to you. Well, I dunno, maybe it's good for page views?

So that's my pitch :P

bundy and sushy are too stupid to realize that their lack of intellect is why they are wrong about everything all the time.


Look inward, friends

Gee, it must be wonderful to be right about everything all the time.

You wouldn't be a liberal by any chance, would you?

i'm not too worried about complaints if you're the one at the wheel. but if it does happen and your interest wanes, please let me know at once. it will likely live or die at your whim.

Is this something you actually want to try? If it really is, we'll open it on christmas day. that gives you some time to mull it over.

i might. if there is sufficient interest, let me know in this thread.

Indeed, I can't quite grasp Mat's point. He extols the idea of you being mod but you were a mod and my failures over that thread wouldn't have been ignored by you when you returned. It would have been sorted.

Unless Mat thinks you were unhappy with the rules and were being forced to do something wildly different. Afaik that's not the case and we did talk about the rules one hell of a lot.

The usual complainers simply don't want a more inclusive political discussion. IF 2+2 don't either then fair enough but then there's no point starting a new forum that will be much the same as the one they just closed.

I'm wrong a lot, actually. My mind changes as I learn new things. I don't ever assume I know it all already.

It won't be much the same if white nationalism etc is proscribed.

it's a matter of trust, to some extent. people didn't trust you, rightly or wrongly.

and you tried to make things way too complicated.

I'm not convinced there's much demand for an alternative place/format for discussing politics on 2+2, but there is a ton of demand for a lightly moderated place where people can whine and troll and mock and insult each other in vaguely political ways. That was the real value in Unchained/P7. Wil on a tear could inspire hundreds of posts, but threads where people tried to have an actual discussion were low volume and boring as hell.

I doubt Well Named, as he just more or less said, is coming up with anything different to where we were.

Sure I get that a lot of it was personal. You wont get that with well named.

BTW not just because it will be more or less the same - I support you bringing it back with Well named as mod. He will be excellent (in the view of an untrusted mod who brought him in in the first place for that very reason)

I need to think about how it should be modded. Also I'd probably want to recruit one extra mod.

Also I'd rather start Dec. 1 or Jan 2 than Christmas. I don't plan to be on 2+2 much Christmas day.

Who will the other mod be, guess there will be? Otherwise, what happens if well named goes on a trip?

Edit: see above

your largest problem is that you allowed a mob of SJW's to pollute every discussion of ideas or policy with some inflammatory one-liner slurring people they disagree with. it was derailed by the same people over and over who were never forced to articulate an actual idea or argument while derailing every discussion in to nazi hunting hysterical lunacy. empty content free posts are what need to be moderated in politics

here is a regular poster that not only did this habitually but also made friends with like minded posters when they tried to angle shoot someone and collect. they are now doing it here.
i'm glad to see the tone on complaining change. i can see mods getting annoyed by it or posters, but admin should really just give zero fvcks. oh princess got their feelings hurt? who cares? thats the princess and perhaps sometimes the mods problem

You're paranoid.

Not only that, but you don't seem able to recognise your own prejudices for what they are eg your belief that black people are inferior in some way to other races due to hormonal imbalances, unsupported by anything other than a YouTube featuring two non specialists.

I hope WN does decide to ban content free personal attacks but it doesn't seem likely given he was the one who supported the move back towards PU (after the poll)

[That's nothing to do with the posts(ers) I failed to mod at the end]

you are proving my point. this is a derail. its an incredibly insulting and dishonest attack. i have never attempted to make that point or even presented anything to argue that a race is superior or inferior, or even used the language of inferior or superior

mods feel free to delete the derail and disgusting slander. not only does the offending poster have an epic track record of this, they also have a track record of trying to cheat other posters out of money. a poster child of why you don't take people claiming virtue and moral superiority seriously, based on those claims

i hope you can see that you shared an enormous number of political views with the SJW's but by giving people that both you and they disagreed with a platform to do so, you had an endless parade of insults and slander

Yup that's right, let's delete the derail before I can be arsed to repost your claims about black inferiority. I'm surprised you're even contending this, considering how many times it's been brought up.

If you dont like the "one-liner slurring" they make these for ya princess. Freedom of speech! Stop calling me that! Mods help!

go ahead and continue to derail if you wish. you will also get to present your case in a new politics thread, instead of hurling hysterical labels

i realize that wil is gone and you need a new dance partner but i'm not really interested in playing along, i'm just being forced to respond to incredibly offensive slander. i dont know if your posts will be deleted and im not going to leave them unchallenged

another regular politics poster in chez's section. one liner, check. content free, check. repeat offender? understatement