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Like he doesn't think we should use collective nouns at all or he thinks that misapplying them is 'a tell'? I doubt (but could be wrong) that his problem is with the grouping of likeminded individuals who share common characteristics (mechanics are good at fixing cars). I think lefty is utterly non descriptive even in a vacuum, and has no shared definition even among the usual suspects in this thread except maybe 'person I am currently mad about'. Whereas I think deplorable is quite well defined and a useful shorthand. Typing out misfit reddit/4chan gamergate ajdacent edge lord who straddles the line between trolling with nazi frogs and openly supporting white supremacist rhetoric wold get tedious.

How about we use an acronym like "MR4CGAELWSTLBTWNFAOSWSR?"

11-20-2017 , 02:45 PM

#727

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 6ix

come on len

Careful. Len comes from a Baltic state which has actually suffered from Communism. The rest of us have not been there.

11-20-2017 , 02:46 PM

#728

6ix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

why not? who wants to be put in a box?

as soon as you label me, whatever the label, i know you have ceased to see me as an individual.

Nobody puts Matty in the corner.

11-20-2017 , 02:48 PM

#729

juan valdez

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 57 On Red

No, that wasn't your intention. You employed the Bank Robber With A Machine Gun Argument: 'Nobody makes trouble, nobody gets hurt, capisce?'

so protesting people with a mask and gun/weapon isn't dangerous. go ahead and protest, or don't. but to deny the fact its optional and dangerous is hilariously stupid

these nazi groups are completely impotent politically. everyone, including the person you are criticizing acknowledges they are dangerous to confront. thats called reality. its not like they showed up to a bbq and he suggested they shut up and make them a burger. afaik they took out a permit and everyone knew they would be protesting a statue being torn down in a public space. show up to protest them if you want. staying home and not putting them on the news is another viable tactic. but to deny knowing showing up to wear deranged and hateful people gather is dangerous is just strange. to attack someone for pointing that it is a stretch to say the least

11-20-2017 , 02:49 PM

#730

Victor

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Quote:

-he never said opposing nazis is bad or implied it

lol he explicitly asserts many times that people should have "stayed home."

the antifa stuff is just utter garbage. heather heyer was not in antifa. almost all of the counter protesters there were not in antifa. antifa is not important in any way.

and there were actually reports of antifa protecting ppl, including some church folks who were being harassed. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...ce-on-Saturday

11-20-2017 , 02:57 PM

#731

juan valdez

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

Yes, peddling anti-semitic conspiracy theories in an attempt to deny that a neo-nazi committed a terrorist attack is offensive.

uhhh i don't see how that comes anywhere near denying a terrorist attack. thats remarkable hyperbole imo. maybe its in another post but on its own, calling that a stretch would be an understatement

11-20-2017 , 03:00 PM

#732

6ix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D

WTF did i just read? lololol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

juans posts are a work or art

juan valdez is only not banned because people don't read his uncapitalized screeds

11-20-2017 , 03:00 PM

#733

BOIDS

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juan valdez,

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOL

11-20-2017 , 03:01 PM

#734

juan valdez

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

i also think people should have stayed home. thats not some sort of support nazi groups or support for tearing down statues. showing up to what everyone knew had been organized is a bad idea imo. i go out of my way to avoid feminist rallies (unless its a protest against going topless), never mind nazi gatherings.

i didnt see anyone claim the victim was related to antifa or any other deplorable group. if that happened, you have a point. i certainly didnt see it

11-20-2017 , 03:02 PM

#735

BroadwaySushy

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Victor lies as naturally as he breathes. He's actually putting on a clinic of lying in this thread.

It really is remarkable.

11-20-2017 , 03:03 PM

#736

juan valdez

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BOIDS

juan valdez,

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOL

settle down pierre

just continue to articulate yourself admirably. you have laid out your point by waving your e- pom poms. good for you

11-20-2017 , 03:04 PM

#737

6ix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 57 On Red

Careful. Len comes from a Baltic state which has actually suffered from Communism. The rest of us have not been there.

I know, he's the one who pointed me to the emergence of pro-Stalin Reddit. But, based on that same thread he knows what I'm getting at.

11-20-2017 , 03:04 PM

#738

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

I'm going to respond to this here.

Firstly I have repeatedly taken full responsibility for failing to mod the Chancellorsville posts. It was a failure on my part for which I am happy to again take full responsibility and apologise for.

I don't see any value in a post mortem but I will listen to what people have to say if they think there is any value in it for 2+2. The 'not standing down bit' doesn't apply as Mat announced he had decided to close the forum.

Regarding the rest of Pv7.0 it makes sense for Wookie to consult the other mods if he belatedly cares about how it was modded. [Again, that's nothing to do with the Chancellorsville posts].

Re the rest. I've posted in support of left wing liberal politics a great deal for many years. Wookie must know that and if he doesn't want it in his forum because I messed up over modding those posts on Chancellorsville then I will continue to argue for it in another forum.

For ****s sake chez. I already spelled out for you why I think this is bull****. Either quote yourself where you actually did what I asked of you, or actually do it this time, or **** off. Your pick.

11-20-2017 , 03:06 PM

#739

Shame Trolly !!!1!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

oh, who would have guessed we are back to screeching nazi hunts?...

Could you explain what you mean by "hunt" here?

Quote:

... once again, this is just the next level of hurling hate...

Could you explain why you characterize "if you dont want to be labelled as a nazi, then dont defend nazis" as 'hate'? Sure, you could argue that you haven't defended nazis. Fair enough. But I can't figure out what you mean by the word 'hate' in this context.

Quote:

... once again, this is just the next level of hurling hate spam...

What do you mean by the word 'spam' here?

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... you just get to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning when you convince yourself you're being virtuous...

Unless you know Victor IRL, or can read minds over the interwebs, you have no possible way of knowing what makes him feel virtuous. In fact, it's hard to imagine anyone feeling virtuous conspicuously wasting time posting as a politard. I know I don't. Do you?

Quote:

... this is a mountain of delusion and dishonesty but it sure does justify screeching and outrage...

Nobody can "screech" or "yell" or "scream" or/etc on this forum. So the first half of this comment is nonsense. As for "outrage"... well I read exactly -zero- outrage in Victor's quote you were responding to. But YMMV of course. However... even if you read "outrage" in Victor's post... so what? There's nothing wrong with expressing outrage, especially in response to outrageous gibberish and nonsense or worse. Correct?

Quote:

... antifa has the right to... share their version of genocidal ideology... what is hilariously ignorant is the bias, ignorance and hypocrisy when it comes to antifa. they have a genocidal ideology...

This is a false statement.

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... they shamelessly tell you they are communists...

This is a false statement.

Quote:

... the SJW mob here...

Could you explain what you mean by "SJW"? Also, this alleged mob... how many posters would you estimate are in this mob? Can you name any SNs?

Quote:

...hysteria...

Can you give an example of this alleged 'hysteria' here on 2+2?

11-20-2017 , 03:08 PM

#740

6ix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

oh, who would have guessed we are back to screeching nazi hunts? once again, this is just the next level of hurling hate spam all over social media, you just get to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning when you convince yourself you're being virtuous. fabricate narrative if necessary

this is a mountain of delusion and dishonesty but it sure does justify screeching and outrage.

-he never said nazis aren't bad, he said the opposite
-he never said opposing nazis is bad or implied it
-nazis do have the right to exist and express themselves. that is true. i believe in the instance in question, the had a government issued permit (irrc, that might not be entirely accurate). ps antifa has the right to exist and share their version of genocidal ideology also
-i find it strange that the same people who screech on and on about how deplorable the nazi, kkk, and white supremacist groups are in charlottsville find it highly offensive to declare them also dangerous. you have the right to protest them but if you are going to determine them deranged, then why is it offense to say they are dangerous. you can knowingly walk down the most dangerous street in your area at night and be made a victim. your victim status doesn't change the fact that what you did was dangerous and perhaps stupid

what is hilariously ignorant is the bias, ignorance and hypocrisy when it comes to antifa. they have a genocidal ideology. they shamelessly tell you they are communists (sure probably not every single one but their public comments and a hammer and sickle banner is kind of relevant). as i tried to teach a clueless chezlaw yesterday, the argument that communists don't share similar nature of evil that nazis do, is ignorant and dangerous. i didnt screech until my face melted off at what a genocide sympathizer he was and call him evil. i actually made a point to let him know i thought he was of better character than the SJW mob here and i just though he was ignorant

what you have on this forum is screeching nazi hunters strawmanning outrageous narratives to justify the hysteria. then we have antifa who has an openly genocidal ideology and has openly declared they will violently shut down people they disagree with politically. not only do they openly declare all of this but we have a track record of them showing up to events with their faces covered, armed, and attacking people with weapons. we even have video of them smashing skulls open with metal weapons. unsuspecting people in a situation where there is no visible tension or yelling. we have footage of them destroying buildings and commercial centers in multiple cities at multiple events

lets now hold these screeching nazi hunter loons to their own standards for a second... how well have they done in criticizing their genocidal beliefs? their violent actions? enormous property damage? how good of a job have they done at all of this? think about that. then on top of all that, how about we look at the (strawman) claims of "defending nazis". how about we go on a multi quote rampage of all the complete dopes not just failing to condemn but openly defending criticism aimed at antifa? how about we dig up posts getting defensive of genocide communist apologists? all of those dopes were called ignorant and stupid. thats very different than calling them evil. think about that

i think it would be a good idea to not allow inflammatory conspiracy theories to derail things, but that post on its own doesn't appear to be offensive. afaik soros is a known activist that throws a lot of money around on left wing agenda. he also called it a rumor. again, definitely nuke conspiracy theories and nonsense but is it really offensive?

you have reading comprehension issues if a single sentence has you this lost

holy sheeit that's a lot of words to say 'i'm a nazi'

11-20-2017 , 03:10 PM

#741

BroadwaySushy

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WOW. This is fun.

If this is any indication, the new forum is going to be a hoot.

11-20-2017 , 03:12 PM

#742

juan valdez

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i sincerely hope that someone posting these spergy questions isn't made a mod

as someone campaigning for moderation, it would be a good idea to clarify your defense of antifa and genocidal ideology

11-20-2017 , 03:15 PM

#743

6ix

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if juan valdez even tries to answer that MissileDizzle post I will literally poop in my own mouth

11-20-2017 , 03:15 PM

#744

6ix

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oops

11-20-2017 , 03:16 PM

#745

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

so protesting people with a mask and gun/weapon isn't dangerous. go ahead and protest, or don't. but to deny the fact its optional and dangerous is hilariously stupid

Is it? Right. Fine. The original German Nazis were considered to be inconsequential clowns, until suddenly they weren't. And some people still insist that they only became a thing because those baddy-bad leftists kept turning up and fighting them.

This post is dedicated to the memory of the crew of Blenheim V6020, OM-W, of No.107 Squadron RAF, downed by light flak from 50ft after bombing a U-boat production yard, Bremen, 4 July 1941:

Wing Commander LVE Petley, officer commanding 107 Sqn
Flight Lieutenant RA Bailey DFC
Sergeant WM Harris

All lie in Becklingen War Cemetery, Soltau. It will not surprise the reader to learn that Wg Cdr Petley was a member of the present writer's family.

All RAF aircrew were of course volunteers. They could just have stayed away, as Juan Valdez and Broadway Sushy would prefer. But they didn't.

11-20-2017 , 03:18 PM

#746

6ix

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Can this be stickied?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!

Could you explain what you mean by "hunt" here?

Could you explain why you characterize "if you dont want to be labelled as a nazi, then dont defend nazis" as 'hate'? Sure, you could argue that you haven't defended nazis. Fair enough. But I can't figure out what you mean by the word 'hate' in this context.

What do you mean by the word 'spam' here?

Unless you know Victor IRL, or can read minds over the interwebs, you have no possible way of knowing what makes him feel virtuous. In fact, it's hard to imagine anyone feeling virtuous conspicuously wasting time posting as a politard. I know I don't. Do you?

Nobody can "screech" or "yell" or "scream" or/etc on this forum. So the first half of this comment is nonsense. As for "outrage"... well I read exactly -zero- outrage in Victor's quote you were responding to. But YMMV of course. However... even if you read "outrage" in Victor's post... so what? There's nothing wrong with expressing outrage, especially in response to outrageous gibberish and nonsense or worse. Correct?

This is a false statement.

This is a false statement.

Could you explain what you mean by "SJW"? Also, this alleged mob... how many posters would you estimate are in this mob? Can you name any SNs?

Can you give an example of this alleged 'hysteria' here on 2+2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

i sincerely hope that someone posting these spergy questions isn't made a mod

I'm not ****ing around. The whole thing will never be epitomized better.

11-20-2017 , 03:19 PM

#747

juan valdez

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 57 On Red

so obviously we need to screech exponentially louder at the dangers of people speaking favorably about communism. i thought both were inconsequential clowns in the west today. apparently we need to screech about both. thanks for sharing

11-20-2017 , 03:23 PM

#748

6ix

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he literally posted this just earlier on the same page:

Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

settle down pierre

just continue to articulate yourself admirably. you have laid out your point by waving your e- pom poms. good for you

11-20-2017 , 03:24 PM

#749

BroadwaySushy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 57 On Red

Just FYI.

My father's brother (my uncle) was an RAF bomber crew member killed in WW11.

Another uncle (my father's sister's husband) was captured by the Nazis and held as a prisoner of war, and badly maltreated.

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