sushy. again, that honesty thing you need to work on.

people thought you were a troll for actual valid reasons, ie, your posts.

Take it as I don't feel like it if you wish. But I really don't know and I don't think it matters. If I though it mattered I would probably have more idea.

Plus it only takes a few to derail conversations with name calling

Gibberish is bad for a discussion but someone has to judge that and it's tough. A lot of posts other have claimed was gibberish made enough sense to me (and vice versa I'm sure). Also those who want to attack posters are quite capable of calling things gibberish as a form of attack.

The problem with this:

Is that B does not react that way very often - nor can I see why we would expect them to react so rationally if they've become emotional.

whereas with
I think it's reasonable to ignore it or ask for clarifications.

Why would you say that? I am way more reasonable, creative, and conscientious than say the average bank or oil executive. Really, I am complexly educated about mental health stigma.

How do you stop someone from fouling the ecosystem and disrupting communities for stuff while telling you that you are dependent on that stuff?

I wasn't trolling.

I can't help it if you idiots interpret sincere posts as trolling. Maybe work on your cognitive abilities a bit.

Please feel free to cite any posts where I defended Nazis. You won't of course, because there aren't any.

Maybe you should work on your honesty pal.

I mean seriously, do you ever get sick of telling blatant lies? It's just getting ****ing boring tbh.

Of course it matters. If 1 in a million threads were being derailed by this kinda name calling who cares? If it's 1%... well again who cares. If it's 10% maybe it's worth addressing. If it's 50% yeah, it's a problem. So, sure, I can bark up this tree instead...

* Would you guesstimate if 0.01%, or 0.1%, or 1%, or 10%, or 50% of threads are derailed by these two kinds of name calling?

* Of the two kinds, would you guestimate the ratio is closer to 25%/75%, or 50%/50%, or 75%/25%?

No, it's not tough at all with shiz like "hard/far left" or "SJW". A non-gibberish answer is in the form of a heuristic that can be used IRL to distinguish the {set of peeps who are X} -vs- the {set of peeps who are not X}. Applying the heuristic could be tough IRL, of course.

Example:
A: "You have a Prime Sandy Beach B"
B: "WTF do you mean by that shiz?"
A: "Simply if we counted the grains of sand, the total would be a prime number"

The answer A gave isn't gibberish... but would be devilishly hard to judge the truth value. However, and again we went through this all in depth in the old baja, those who name call using "hard/far/etc left" and "SJW", can't give any such heuristic at all. Ask them the simplest question about WTF they mean... their complete inability to answer will make this all painfully obvious.

This is easy enough to demonstrate all over again ITT if you wish...

Hey juan valdez, could you give us a heuristic that we can use IRL to distinguish which peeps you refer to as (a) "far left", (b) "near left", (c) the center, (d) "near right" and (e) "far right"? Could you give us examples of how this heuristic applies to the following famous US pols: B.Sanders, D.Trump, G.Wallace, B.Clinton and R.Reagan?

unfortunately p7 is not searchable. but it was shut down when the right wing deplorables united to defend a nazi rally.

but maybe you werent involved.

Actually, it is.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...version-7-0-a/

Great, Victor now has the power to impeach someone at least.

I just realized me saying that is evidence that I support Nazis...please retract.

anyways, I meant "you" in the collective sense, not to indicate sushy solely. ofc, a search quickly revealed him defending Gorka and spreading misinformation about his confirmed links to Hungarian paramilitary with ties to naziism.

LOL.

Yawn

Anyway, time for some more music I think. This one is really evocative.

Wow.

From what I've seen of Sushy's posts in ATF I suspect we'd disagree on many issues. But that sounds like a pretty big backpedal from this post, while pretending you're not backpedaling:

Huh? Sushy claimed he never defended nazis. That was easily found to be false.

I could dig more if you want.

Perhaps I missed something. You very clearly were suggesting that Sushy was involved in defending a Nazi rally, and then after I mentioned that P7 was indeed searchable, you suggested that "you" weren't referring to Sushy solely.

I assume from your latest post that your second sentence of the earlier post was meant to be evidence of your claim? It's very unclear as for some reason you didn't link anything, and there was no mention of a Nazi rally.

If that's what you meant, that's fine, I don't need you to dig anything up for my benefit. But hopefully you can see how your posts were somewhat unclear. Sushy didn't seem especially bothered by the exchange, so perhaps it was only unclear to me.

Broadway sought to defend and excuse the Charlottesville Nazis by both-sidesing it.

He later added that if the Nazis had been allowed to exercise their legal rights unchallenged, nobody would have got hurt. He purported to regard the Nazis as 'asshats', but he placed the sole blame on the counter-protestors, one of whom was killed. He claimed that this was not victim-blaming. He was, however, given a warning by chez for victim-blaming. He carried on and was given a second warning by whosnext.

Also there's that thing about every single time he posts and someone posts counterarguments with solid evidence and citations to demolish his stance, he doesn't budge.

Some of it was even equivalent to personally strapping you into a rocket ship, taking you to space to show you the world is indeed round, bringing you back and asking "See?" and having you still claim the world is flat. When people spend their time engaging in what they think is an honest debate with open minded people, that feels pretty ****ing troll Sushy. It's not some inherent guess about your user name. I can 100% assure you that if you made a new name or there was some way you could post anonymously, you'd get almost identical reactions to all your posts.

You got a link to that quote?

In addition to well named I'd second a Shame Trolly !!!1! candidacy for Mod 2. Primarily because he is always prepared to have the conversation which a lot of the complaints about PU / P7 focused on and at least the forum would have some chance to be an interesting place. He'd be a very good mod imo if the forum posters let him be.

This should do it.

Then follow the conversation from there.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2.../index536.html

The back-and-forth runs from p.536 to p.542 of the President Trump thread, starting on 13 August, the day after Heather Heyer's death. On p.542 Broadway incurs his second warning.

I should, of course, have given the link earlier.

Well, you wouldn't let them just keep putting crap out there that had no purpose. Over and over, more useless stuff getting put into the environment so you have to wade through it to get to the good stuff. You would hope they would go back to making good decisions and not spewing crap all over the place.