2+2 was already dying and this newest change just killed it completely. The only thing this place had going for it was the old school charm of a classic internet forum. If I wanted some pseudo reddit UI I would just go to reddit. Trying to modernize something like 2+2 will yield opposite of results, just furthering its death.

i for one wouldn’t use the changes, but if it’s set up such that we can use the old version seamlessly, i think it’s a good thing

people always complain whenever there is a big overhaul - even when the overhaul is for the better

i don't think updating the site is a bad move at all despite that my initial thoughts are also the same as your own


the more concerning part is that max seems to just going about it without receiving much user input, as shown by the thread about it where he hasn't included things such as stickies or pms which had he even had a casual conversation about it in modchat would have been brought up immediately as essential tools

we're now getting that user feedback in the form on complaints but it would have been 100x better to start with the "oh you like pms and stickies, ok" rather than just relying upon the guesswork of the owner who himself never even uses the site and thus has completely different expectations and understandings than his user base - which at this point are mostly an old guard of super users

i have no doubts that a modern design would help attract new blood though which is what we obviously need


i'm not expecting to switch over, at least at this point i'm still firmly in the old design rather than the new, but what he's doing is a step in the right direction, even if the execution still needs more time to make it useful

What changes? Looks the same to me on my computer.

I think the new look is hot garbage but you can still use the old look using the forumserver url

remove the forumserver prefix and all will be revealed

https://twoplustwo.com/

I'm skeptical I'll like the original release of the new format, but I'm sure the new format can be brought to parity if Max wants to. That's how these things usually work.

Calm down, oldlings

Indeed the general marketplace is currently overrun with scammers and posters who joined a week ago. The 2 mods neither have logged into 2+2 for over a week. Makes you appreciate the old management that required a 6 month old account in good standing to be able to transact. Making it a free for all with zero moderation has turned it into the wild west. One particular lunatic inserts himself into every thread doing his best to take any conversation away from the site onto discord.

Agree. Honestly, making changes and keeping things fresh is always a good idea. But this just visually hurts my eyes and if I couldn't get the old look back, I would not come back. If it ain't broke, don't fix it

I don't think it's dying

We don't care what people say
Two plus two is here to stay!

Hey hey my my
Two plus two will newer die!

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