Congrats to 2+2 on Political Correctness Initiative (complaint about Zeno) - Page 8 - About the Forums

So there haven't been any refutations of my point that mods are in effect public representatives of the twoplustwo brand, which leads me to believe that you and Mat agree with this. Are there plans to discuss the relevant posts with Zeno?

And how about augie_ same question here, and in post 170.

you see them that way. no refutation.. i don't see them that way and after 12 years or so am being asked to change my perspective. which i can consider.

still, i would quit this job before demodding augie or zeno over this thread in its current state.

pm mason if you disagree with that stance. he's been bored lately..

11-06-2017 , 03:47 AM

#178

Mat Sklansky

Administrator

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,070

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Ban for misogyny.

that's what she said. it never gets old, canadian.

11-06-2017 , 03:52 AM

#179

Bobo Fett

Carpe Diem

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 56,895

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

that's what she said. it never gets old, canadian.

11-06-2017 , 03:57 AM

#180

Mat Sklansky

Administrator

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,070

I was wondering who i could blame on that ***** i'm married to.

11-06-2017 , 04:09 AM

#181

Mat Sklansky

Administrator

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,070

Hey cows eat grass. i got bosses(?) too.

here's my f u to them (mason ain't the reference) he's my friend:

11-06-2017 , 04:29 AM

#182

MinusEV

Giftastic!

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 12,206

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

I don't know what it means to be "just like the ones that write the letters to the editors in the newspaper."

2:50

11-06-2017 , 05:51 AM

#183

kioshk

Nixonian

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 92,826

Quote:

Originally Posted by Losing all

I wouldn't trade one Zeno for Wookie's 10 best screeching SJWs.

amen, brother

11-06-2017 , 07:16 AM

#184

bundy5

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 8,136

Quote:

Originally Posted by plaaynde

Wonder who the OP is?

My guess is this: Zeno isn't prepared to change, so he steps down in a week or two after massively many posts itt. Even if this is my bet, I hope to be wrong. I'd like Zeno to be onboard, he has many good qualities.

For an example of a mod who changed positively, take Rapini.

Can't see DS or MM allowing it so no change.

11-06-2017 , 09:14 AM

#185

zikzak

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 22,199

fwiw I don't think Zeno should be demodded, but this thread should definitely exist. SMP continues to be a forum that not only tolerates, but often encourages sexist and bigoted behavior that should have been stamped out decades ago. It needs to be called out.

11-06-2017 , 09:54 AM

#186

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,721

'Tis a silly place.

11-06-2017 , 10:09 AM

#187

Mat Sklansky

Administrator

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,070

Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

it's worth a lot to me. calling things out is a lot different than demanding they be stamped out from above.

11-06-2017 , 11:25 AM

#188

spanktehbadwookie

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 19,374

Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

You are exaggerating.

11-06-2017 , 11:29 AM

#189

spanktehbadwookie

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 19,374

Whenever I read someone wants to 'take charge of culture', I always wonder who put them in charge? Especially when I participate in such a culture and extra when I don't see them around that much being the change they want to see.

11-06-2017 , 11:34 AM

#190

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,058

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Well, I think that really depends on a few things. I'm not going to tell you how you *should* respond because I don't think there's always one right answer. But how I would respond - depending on the situation, I think my response to this is going to vary from directly confronting the guy about it, to talking to the dealer or the floor about it, to leaving the table and playing elsewhere (and reporting it to the floor). I have to confess I'm not as strong at direct confrontation as I probably should be sometimes, so while sitting here in the safe comfort of my home I like to think I'd usually take the first road, but I know when I'm there in the situation I might be taking the second or third option when I could do better. Not that those are necessarily terrible ways to go, but I'd hope that I could show the courage when appropriate.

Edit to add: Having seen your post about sarcastic mocking, yes, I'd probably go a similar route. Sometimes that may shut the guy up, especially if similar sentiments are echoed around the table. But when that has little to no effect, what I've said above applies - now we're getting into uncharted waters where drunk bigot boy may be just as inclined to try to turn this into a physical confrontation as anything else, so there's likely going to be a point where I'm taking a different road.

But this really doesn't directly relate to my post. This isn't someone that just isn't "at exactly the same place when it comes to accepting others", this guy is an out and out bigot. And if I'm at all in doubt about this, it's easy to find out with a few minutes of observation and/or discussion - not nearly so easy to see where someone's coming from in an online discussion, or to make others fully understand your own perspective the way you intend. I'm unlikely to make much impact on how a guy like this thinks, especially while sitting with him at a poker table. And how I deal with him isn't likely to last more than a short time, or be seen by more than a handful of people, as opposed to being part of a discussion that will go on for days, weeks, or months, and be seen and taken part in by hundreds of people.

"Sä oot väärässä" = "You're wrong" would be my response.

Just will not be listening to **** like that.

Last edited by plaaynde; 11-06-2017 at 12:03 PM.

11-06-2017 , 12:05 PM

#191

well named

poorly undertitled

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 78,077

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Yeah, he'd probably be a better Politics mod than me, but I like him too much to inflict that on him.

I doubt it, but fortunately between the new job, school, and playing research assistant I'm too busy to be tempted to inflict that sort of pain upon myself right now :P

11-06-2017 , 12:09 PM

#192

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,058

Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

I doubt it, but fortunately between the new job, school, and playing research assistant I'm too busy to be tempted to inflict that sort of pain upon myself right now :P

":P"

11-06-2017 , 03:11 PM

#193

spanktehbadwookie

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 19,374

A case happening right now in a different social media format has led to a famous social activist musician being banned from the most popular network for sharing art which included a message of bigotry to confront the message of bigotry.

So Janis Ian was banned from social media for counter-bigotry art simply because it included a display of the very bigotry being confronted.

Appearances can be deceiving and it takes I would say practice of human understanding to truly, uh, well-moderate human output. Especially when bigotry is involved because it's particularly stubborn and deceptive sometimes.

Any way keep discussion lines open to find out...

11-06-2017 , 03:50 PM

#194

BroadwaySushy

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3,237

People sometimes use humor and satire in a similar way. The problem here is that people on the left seem to take everything so literally. Consequently we end up with massive over-reactions and hostility in some cases where maybe a bit more reflection and even (god forbid) acquiring a sense of humor might be in order.

11-06-2017 , 03:56 PM

#195

Loki

binary duo

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 12,772

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeno

It doesn't matter Howard, the entire religion of Islam is a stinking pile of camel ****.

Please point out the satire for the rest of the class.

11-06-2017 , 04:06 PM

#196

BroadwaySushy

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3,237

Do you know what "tongue in cheek" is?

Have a look at the post immediately after the one you quoted, if you don't.

11-06-2017 , 04:16 PM

#197

spanktehbadwookie

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 19,374

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Please point out the satire for the rest of the class.

Take writing out of context and act like your in charge. The example you set for the class.

11-06-2017 , 04:20 PM

#198

spanktehbadwookie

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 19,374

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

It's not a left-specific thing, but because people are what makes up nebulous groups like "the left"- it's an easy mistake to make.

11-06-2017 , 05:36 PM

#199

Morphismus

BBV Poker Player of 2022

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 24,271

11-06-2017 , 05:57 PM

#200

zikzak

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 22,199

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

You are exaggerating.

SMP: Not quite as racist as its detractors claim.

Page 8 of 47

First

3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 18 28

Last

Closed Thread Subscribe

...

Page 8 of 47

First

3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 18 28

Last