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Originally Posted by zikzak
Well for starters now you need a passport for travel between the US and Canada.
There was also massive expansion of the surveillance state and warrantless wiretapping. For a few years we made it SOP to kidnap people in foreign countries and hold them indefinitely in far flung black sites. And we dropped an awful lot of bombs. A few weddings got droned. We ran the national debt up through the ceiling, again. We permanently tarnished our legacy on the world stage and pissed away an awful lot of good will.
Off the top of my head, yeah, there was some policy.
Well that doesn't sound very good.
I would like, now, for someone to explain why the above doesn't tell the whole story. Why does my visit to Canada require a passport?
Why did I need to jump through hoops to get a "real id" when renewing my license last week?
Did we really have massive expansion of the surveillance state and warrantless wiretapping? Did that make our (US) lives better?
Was kidnapping people the right thing to do in these times? Maybe that didn't happen?
Did we really drop a lot of bombs? Are we happy about them? Maybe some, maybe not others?
Weddings are silly, so that was fine, i'm sure.
National debt? Is that a thing anymore?
And finally, "We permanently tarnished our legacy on the world stage and pissed away an awful lot of good will."
Is that true, on any level? Or do we or should we even care?
I want those questions answered in a nice polite manner.