One doesn't exclude the other.

You can call him out without making offensive generalizations. That's my point. It doesn't really matter that you're an American as well.

Since we have an extra hour tonight, please explain the offensive generalizations for me. Go ahead, be verbose and detailed. Show me that big brain at work.

'Boorish ugly American' is a stereotype.

But you probably know that which is why you bothered to mention you're American too.

Bro, I have black friends!

Yes, it is a stereotype of boorish, ugly Americans. If they find that description offensive, it is meant to be. But I'm not clear why you think that is a broader generalization, or who you think I might be generalizing, other than boorish, ugly Americans. It seems a bit like you're lashing out with a half baked charge that doesn't really make any sense. I am especially confused by the black friends comment. You're going to have to work that big brain a lot harder for anybody to understand what it is you're trying to get at.

Im sure other, less challenged posters get it just fine.

I understand it, if that helps.

Stereotypes in all forms are probably counterproductive. So be it about race, nationality, religion, gender, or other perceived grops. They are false, and directs thinking backwards instead of forward.

I'm afraid of Americans

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To me, this thread is a good representation of what often makes me sad about discourse on the Internet these days. A whole lot of pigeonholing and labeling, and people always assuming the very worst they can about people who have opinions they disagree with.

No one makes a mistake any more, they're lying. A distasteful or insensitive comment can't be simply that, they must be a racist, sexist, what have you. Someone who is offended by a distasteful or insensitive comment and calls someone out can't be simply standing up for something they believe in or letting someone now their comment bothers them, they're an "SJW" or they're "virtue signalling".

More and more, a lot of Internet discussion seems like its only goal is to divide people. Everyone's either "right" or "left" and if someone on the other "side" makes a comment you disagree with, it's your obligation to take that comment and make it out to be as bad as you possibly can.
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Disagreeing with the way TPTB handle things, I get. Assuming because they handle things differently than you think they should means they don't care, I don't get.

Mods are in effect representatives of the twoplustwo brand on the forum, as they enforce and upload the rules, which are directives of how twoplustwo wishes the forum be ran. There are at least two mods who are obviously racist, sexist, homophobic, zenophobic (DUCWIDT), etc., and twoplustwo cares so much that they ... do nothing. Like, care about what? 2p2 tptb care so much about what, that the solution to the caring so much is to do nothing and allow despicable people to continue to represent their brand?

Having openly and blatantly bigoted mods on twoplustwo is not a good look.

I think all rich people should be enslaved. Can I be a mod?

Who do you think the other is? When it comes to Zeno, I think cutting down really much (eliminate) on the stuff in the OP is a natural thing. He somehow isn't racist and bigot, and like somebody said, the "hate" includes all and nobody. I'd see it more as a bad habit.

How he reacts to this thread is key. Bruce blew his chances with denial. An intellectual should know for whom the bell tolls.

We're a bit past the point where we can just agree to disagree down here. There are some very deep fissures running through the country and we're not gonna hug it out anytime soon.

You also might want to reconsider your premise that people spreading hate are somehow equivalent to people trying to stop the spread of hate. They're not two sides of the same coin, and your "both sides do it, stop being so divisive!" line just gives cover to the hate mongers.

If we're upholding the rules - "no personal attacks" - then anyone who's ever called anyone a racist, white supremacist or a Nazi should be banned. They are three of the worst personal attacks possible...Nazi in particular is a horrible slur, linking a person to cruel genocidal intent and mass murder. I don't think there's anyone one these forums that even comes close to that, so why say it?

In fact, if we had a script that went through and banned everyone who called other people those, this forum, and especially politics, would be a much better place.

Free speech is a good thing. I've learned more about my views and moderated them more by seeing the ugliness of my ideas expressed by others than I have by all the screeching, unhinged SJWs on here attacking people, calling them racist/sexist/homophobic, which has the opposite effect, usually.

I mean, is this a meeting place/bar where people discuss ideas and are given a little leeway, or should it be modeled after a SJW university safe space? Because that's what the naysayers are arguing for. AllCowsEatGrass calls people with unpalatable view "despicable". In my opinion very few people are truly despicable, certainly not because they have old brains that grew up in a different age and view race or sex differently to modern sensibilities. Wisdom comes with warts...BruceZ is a good example.

In terms of blowback, I'm not seeing it. I mean, P unchained was a horrible place, and what blowback was there on 2p2? Matt was given hell by the SJWs nagging him constantly, calling him nasty names, but what other blowback was there? The servers are hosted in the US which still has free speech. As long as something passes muster for what could be said at an ordinary Christmas dinner, then who cares? If your misanthrope uncle wants to wail about Indians then let him. It's educational to let real people speak their actual thoughts. As long as they're not pushing a nasty agenda, as long as they're merely speaking their opinions, who cares?

That's what makes you sad here? Not mods making gross racist stereotypes about "cow-worshipers" and "black bitches?"

Zeno: Nuke the paki cow-worshippers!

pvc: Oh hey, that's gross.

Bobo: Divisive SJWs!

I would like to point out that when I call ToothSayer a disingenuous bigoted dickbag polemicist troll it's not because I am trying to divide. It's because I have become familiar with his posting over the years and believe it is an honest description of him.

Wow, virtue signal much?

I'll own all of that except bigoted. I'm the least bigoted person here; the SJWs are the most. They're horrified by opinions that aren't their own, and the definition of bigot is:



The people calling for other people's heads because of opinions or attitudes they don't like, are the worst bigots of all. And people like that have made the world a worse place, and killed and oppressed more people, than all the racists, sexists, homphobes, etc etc in history. But they're loud and naggy while decent people keep their mouths shut, so they're defining social attitudes. Such is the nature of minority zeal.

Look at all the energy we're wasting arguing some meaningless expressions of misanthropy. We could be talking about probability instead with BruceZ, and actually learning something. You could be out tutoring an underprivileged minority. Instead we're discussing policing someone's harmless mind fluffs.

Better then conservative value safe places that enforce obscenity and indecency laws on public discourse and the media. That got some put in jail for things like the above.

Glad we got to "it's the people calling them Nazis who are the problem" so quickly.