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Congrats to 2+2 on Political Correctness Initiative (complaint about Zeno) Congrats to 2+2 on Political Correctness Initiative (complaint about Zeno)

11-15-2017 , 01:35 AM
The problem is that the OP is written by one of these ACEG alters who've been manipulating the forums, imho.
11-15-2017 , 12:53 PM
Even if that’s true, does that change the content of the quoted posts, or the fact that the author of the quoted posts is completely ignoring this thread?
11-15-2017 , 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Even if that’s true, does that change the content of the quoted posts, or the fact that the author of the quoted posts is completely ignoring this thread?
Why do you think he's ignoring it?

He must be a lurker.
11-15-2017 , 01:42 PM
No clue. Maybe he thinks if he ignores the problem long enough it’ll go away.

Judging by what he's posted since the thread started, he seems pretty sure the problem is that people noticed him posting vile things, not the vile posts themselves. Basically the "blame the smoke alarm for your house burning down" syndrome we’ve seen overtake a lot of people on the right lately.
11-15-2017 , 05:02 PM
I'm glad there isn't a full fledged witch hunt going on. Case BruzeZ taught something also to the prosecutors.
11-15-2017 , 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
OF COURSE IT MAKES SENSE TO BROADEN THAT BASE, you ****ing dildo!!!

what we have on this site (a site that's supposed to be about poker) is a bunch of ****ing rich white guys telling me and mason and zeno, etc.. that we're old cocskucking bigots.

I promised not to take any stupid powertripping admin actions in this thread, but i can still say **** you!
grunching thread to this point -

I am white, but I'm not rich, and I don't think you or Mason or Zeno (know less about him) are bigots. I disagree with Mason's politics but I very much respect what he has built here and generally how the site is run.

2p2 is probably my favorite place on the internet - poker attracts a unique sort of person and I think one that I generally enjoying discussing things with.

I don't think it's useful to take the criticisms you mention as attacks for their own sake - I think anyone paying attention to the culture would realize that the world is changing and anyone with a platform (including 2p2) needs to be mindful of that in how they operate their platform.

That doesn't mean you thought police or you don't allow speech you don't like. What it does mean is that you have a lower tolerance for the type of rhetoric that is hateful, inaccurate, and dangerous - speech that is essentially the worst kind of propaganda. Of course you can choose to allow it, but I think the point is that doing so dilutes your space as a place where thinking people will want to spend their internet time. You can be the smartest guy in the world, but when you're ranting about Indians, you're not contributing. Discourage that behavior.

So it's not "2p2 sucks, I don't want to come here because of the dumb **** people post," it's "I appreciate 2p2 as a place where smart people can converse; there should be standards in place to keep it that way."
11-15-2017 , 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morphismus
What is ze problem exactly?


Ze appears to meet ze's design purpose as ambiguous identifier for use in specialized writing where more specific details of people referenced in the writing are unwanted or unneeded. That which appears to meet a design purpose of making specialized writing more independent of influences that may come in by more specifically identifying people.

So ze is a solution for ze problem of people reading extra things into other people's states of identity when examining specialized writing.
11-15-2017 , 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle
grunching thread to this point -

I am white, but I'm not rich, and I don't think you or Mason or Zeno (know less about him) are bigots. I disagree with Mason's politics but I very much respect what he has built here and generally how the site is run.

2p2 is probably my favorite place on the internet - poker attracts a unique sort of person and I think one that I generally enjoying discussing things with.

I don't think it's useful to take the criticisms you mention as attacks for their own sake - I think anyone paying attention to the culture would realize that the world is changing and anyone with a platform (including 2p2) needs to be mindful of that in how they operate their platform.

That doesn't mean you thought police or you don't allow speech you don't like. What it does mean is that you have a lower tolerance for the type of rhetoric that is hateful, inaccurate, and dangerous - speech that is essentially the worst kind of propaganda. Of course you can choose to allow it, but I think the point is that doing so dilutes your space as a place where thinking people will want to spend their internet time. You can be the smartest guy in the world, but when you're ranting about Indians, you're not contributing. Discourage that behavior.

So it's not "2p2 sucks, I don't want to come here because of the dumb **** people post," it's "I appreciate 2p2 as a place where smart people can converse; there should be standards in place to keep it that way."
+1
11-15-2017 , 08:05 PM
Zeno is a less than perfect poster who has added, and still adds value to the forum. It's worth addressing, but I don't think any action is necessary. I would be fine having conversation with Zeno irl even if his ranting about nuking people and Indians and such are off-putting and the opposite of thought provoking. zikzac's right that he comes across as behind the times, btw. or however he put it.

I feel like I'm repeating myself though.

Last edited by leavesofliberty; 11-15-2017 at 08:05 PM. Reason: would like 30 days off, plz
11-15-2017 , 10:44 PM
I liked when Zeno was ****ting all over some poster for their uninformed views about how NASA works and it turned out the guy was a program manager at NASA responsible for a multi-million dollar budget. Good times.
11-15-2017 , 11:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
OF COURSE IT MAKES SENSE TO BROADEN THAT BASE, you ****ing dildo!!!

what we have on this site (a site that's supposed to be about poker) is a bunch of ****ing rich white guys telling me and mason and zeno, etc.. that we're old cocskucking bigots.

I promised not to take any stupid powertripping admin actions in this thread, but i can still say **** you!
I think I got permabanned for this once already.....but have you just thought about doing your job better? I get that its not your dream job or anything. But if you treated it like most of us treat our jobs (not calling people ****ing dildos etc) I think it would go a long way to fixing the "racist, moron mod" problem that seems to cause you so much grief.
11-16-2017 , 09:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw
i regret to say it is true that there were some posts(ers) that I failed to mod. If that's why Mat closed down Pv7.0 then fair enough.

Kudos to AECG for any part she played in that. She definitely had a point.
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, ACEG getting credit for single-handedly shutting down P7 is ridiculous.
Chez's poor choices had the most to do with it, those were pointed out primarily by Goofy in a mod thread I opened about not needing P7 anymore.
11-16-2017 , 09:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbrochu
I liked when Zeno was ****ting all over some poster for their uninformed views about how NASA works and it turned out the guy was a program manager at NASA responsible for a multi-million dollar budget. Good times.
There's a reason Zeno posts overwrought affectations rather than anything of substance.
11-16-2017 , 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kerowo
Chez's poor choices had the most to do with it, those were pointed out primarily by Goofy in a mod thread I opened about not needing P7 anymore.
Yawn.
11-16-2017 , 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yawn.
What you said was better.
11-17-2017 , 02:08 PM
What did Bobo say?
11-17-2017 , 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbrochu
I liked when Zeno was ****ting all over some poster for their uninformed views about how NASA works and it turned out the guy was a program manager at NASA responsible for a multi-million dollar budget. Good times.
link?
11-17-2017 , 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
I think I got permabanned for this once already.....but have you just thought about doing your job better? I get that its not your dream job or anything. But if you treated it like most of us treat our jobs (not calling people ****ing dildos etc) I think it would go a long way to fixing the "racist, moron mod" problem that seems to cause you so much grief.
You might be right. Forgive me for the late reply. My dog has an infected foot and it took me awhile to figure out how to properly use the e-collar I got from the vet.

11-17-2017 , 07:08 PM
I, for one, would love to have a job where I can call people ****ing dildos!
11-17-2017 , 08:14 PM
Mat with an e-collar on his head 2020!
11-17-2017 , 10:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor
link?
If I can find it I'll send you a PM.
11-18-2017 , 12:51 AM
Already attracting animals, give it a couple more years and we'll have full blown flossing with parrots.
11-18-2017 , 02:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
You might be right. Forgive me for the late reply. My dog has an infected foot and it took me awhile to figure out how to properly use the e-collar I got from the vet.

What a nice dog! You gotta get that collar working. One or two more Joseph James you should solve it.
11-18-2017 , 02:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morphismus
I, for one, would love to have a job where I can call people ****ing dildos!
It's really easy, you just wait untill they leave

Last edited by R*R; 11-18-2017 at 02:28 AM. Reason: ****ing typos
11-18-2017 , 02:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbrochu
I liked when Zeno was ****ting all over some poster for their uninformed views about how NASA works and it turned out the guy was a program manager at NASA responsible for a multi-million dollar budget. Good times.
That guy completely fooled you. He's actually a male prostitue working out of the Bronx on a limited budget. Tough times.

      
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