So back on topic. Will Zeno be allowed to remain a moderator when he has such a history of posts full of racism and bigotry? I hope not.

You should quit in outrage if he's not, greggy! Like you did before, take a stand. You and your impeccably high principles.

It's a tough spot. Zeno is ok, if he just doesn't post things like those in the OP ever again. Will be interesting to see if he succeeds there. No other solution, and he must know. This thread has just got started. And the anti-bigots will not step down, everybody knows that too.

Zeno, this is the test.

Danes are not crazy

Lol, oversensitive much?

I think that's a reasonable view, personally.
It's not a conservative/liberal thing - the modern SJW are just the modern version of the age old busybody habit of moral panics - witches, succubi, female hysteria, Jews, marijuana, capitalism/bourgeois rightists, homosexuals, greed, homophobia, and now racism. The contents varies left and right and everywhere else, but the nasty instinct is the same.

It's all very boring, and the busybody/totalitarian thought puritan instincts haven't changed over time, they've just been channeled into different moral panics and different kinds of thought and behavior control. It's all very boring and pointless and an enormous waste of energy.

Let people say what they want as long as it would be ok at a Christmas dinner. Words and opinions have never harmed anyone. In fact thoughts are enlightening, and the freer they are, the better. Totalitarianism and lack of respect for individual expression and freedoms are the problem. You're tilting at racist windmills, that aren't even racist. It's absurd.

You can't believe in this yourself.

Is it even possible to negotiate equal terms of understanding with insistent willful misunderstanding and mis characterization?

How much leverage over other posters and mods can a group of posters get with provocative incomplete information combined with attitudes and accusations? Why can't we question their posts snd behavior with being derided and gas lit as indifferent, blind, partisan, or illiterate?

Of course he will. Again, see augi_.

Hi ToothSayer. What's up?

Of course fear of racism is the modern moral panic, no different to marijuana or bourgeois rightists or witches or succubi scares. I'm surprised you don't see this.

Everyone in every moral panic thought it was deathly important (to the point even of killing lots of people). That's what moral panics are.

Anyway. The village mob has pitchforks and they want the blood of the witch, Zeno. Will the king cede to their demands? I didn't mean to get between a panicked mob and their desire to purge all unrighteousness from their village. Please carry on.

What's about augi_?

Wonder who the OP is?

My guess is this: Zeno isn't prepared to change, so he steps down in a week or two after massively many posts itt. Even if this is my bet, I hope to be wrong. I'd like Zeno to be onboard, he has many good qualities.

For an example of a mod who changed positively, take Rapini.

Why? How? If you read his posts fairly and more completely, it is more reasonable to assume he thinks racism and bigotry are caused by "gibberish"- fit for mockery and satire- and are among the reasons he has general disdain for humans.

The anti SJW of the worlds like some of the misanthrope uncles dont like some talk at Christmas dinners and try to shut it down. Have you never been to one? Hell just saying happy holidays sends them off the deep end and causes them to elect people who want end the practice.

Besides its a bad example. Zeno is more like a voluntary employee of a company. Companies fire people all the time for their words. Im sure you would be all for it if the employee getting your latte called you a bigoted *******.

I should stop though since i dont want him banned or demoded. Just laughing at the anti SJW hypocrisy.

He popped in the last days of p7.8 and threw stones around. I confronted his throws.

C'mon Zeno has a history with 2p2. He's like the forum's grandpa: you can't disown him just because he farts and tells racist jokes at the Thanksgiving dinner table. Just let him stay in SMP where no one will ever read his bloviating.

This is what makes me think he's good deep down. But he has to change the posting style anyway. And what's more, apologize. Otherwise he will never be free from this.

Giving in to nagging whiny busybodies is no way to live your life.

Just, you know, in case there is anybody who still isn't clear on this.

In that case, his imprisoners are accountable for holding people based on incomplete information and misunderstanding. Ain't no justice or fair apology ever happens under such conditions.

Here is a better idea. Stop this thread now and everyone try to treat each other with a little better understanding.

Calling people Nazis when they are nothing of the sort is a problem, yes. It's a means of shutting down debate and alternative opinions. And it's endemic on this site.

Combine that with biased moderating such as we see in certain forums on this site and you have a disturbingly very effective means of stifling debate.

Stopping the thread isn't something I want. It will stop on its own if people desire.

The various perspectives are interesting and useful. So the more participants, the better. And I even promise not to ban people who come after me.

Would be nice to hear from Zeno in this thread.

Oh, I meant that in the sense like quit the thread instead of arguing about the OP and apologies. I don't think the bulk of humanity has time to hear apologies for gibberish lost in a clearly marked drunk thread.