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Old 03-26-2020, 03:04 PM   #101
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Re: Big changes!!

Why does it look like a damn blog?


This is worse than the fake 2p2 front page.
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Old 03-26-2020, 03:15 PM   #102
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Re: Big changes!!

+1 for hiring gregorio - those examples look very good.


Also - will all threads/post be migrated? IIRC, last time this happened, only posts with activity within the last x number of years were moved, so we had to bump "important" threads with no activity for a while?
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Old 03-26-2020, 03:37 PM   #103
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This afternoon I will be forwarding all relevant questions to the people working on this. I will update as soon as I get answers.
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:06 PM   #104
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The size of our forum presents migration challenges.
In layman's terms, can you explain why the entire forum needs to be migrated over?
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:08 PM   #105
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last time this happened, only posts with activity within the last x number of years were moved, so we had to bump "important" threads with no activity for a while?
If a thread hasn't been bumped for a couple years, it's not important.
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:09 PM   #106
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Re: Big changes!!

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Install Stylish on Chrome or FF
Not gonna happen:

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Privacy issues

Since January 2017, following the sale of Stylish to Israeli company SimilarWeb, the extension has contained tracking functions that sends information on all visited URLs and HTTP requests, and information contained on search engine results pages, to SimilarWeb servers. In July 2018, after these issues were publicized by a software engineer, Stylish was pulled from both the Chrome Web Store and Mozilla Add-ons, as well as being automatically uninstalled for all existing users.[16][17][18]
You can use Stylus, though, for similar effect without the ****ery (at least no ****ery is known to this day, and I'm not going to be held accountable for recommending it should there ever be ****ery.)
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:19 PM   #107
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Re: Big changes!!

I just changed the layout from what Vanilla calls "Table" to "Modern".

I can also make CSS changes to improve the look and feel ... but want a consensus on the layout first.

We started with the Table layout as while it is not very readable in it's current form it might be a little more familiar.
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:22 PM   #108
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We had no real choice about making this change. We'll certainly do what we can to make changes within the new software to accommodate everyone the best we can.
What do you mean you had no choice? Where are we, China? You being forced to do this? Your answer makes no sense and like others have posted, 2+2 now is a shell of what it once was. I could go months without reading or posting anything and it wouldn't phase me in the slightest. This forum used to be great. Now it's just meh. But the new format sucks.
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:28 PM   #109
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Re: Big changes!!

I mean, some of that is not 2p2's fault. Off the top of my head I can think of Black Friday and Reddit that have dwindled this forum's numbers over the past decade.
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:29 PM   #110
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But the new format sucks.
Working on it. Do you like the "Modern" layout better?
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:48 PM   #111
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Man I always pick the weirdest times to check back in.
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Old 03-26-2020, 05:08 PM   #112
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Re: Big changes!!

I just noticed the very popular MMA forums 'sherdog.com' is 'migrating' their site tommorow, it is another unique site I've always liked the formatting of - I do not know their current host but if it is also vbulletin then it might be a common change among multiple big forums changing hosts?
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Old 03-26-2020, 05:37 PM   #113
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hopefully still an spril fools joke


the layout , while not as bad as the 90's one, still not as clean as v bulletin.

if I can get used to reddit I guess I can get used to this.
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Old 03-26-2020, 05:52 PM   #114
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Re: Big changes!!

Biggest improvement for me would be a dynamic layout, so it takes advantage of larger screens rather than leaving all the white space on either side.
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Old 03-26-2020, 05:58 PM   #115
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I just changed the layout from what Vanilla calls "Table" to "Modern".

I can also make CSS changes to improve the look and feel ... but want a consensus on the layout first.

We started with the Table layout as while it is not very readable in it's current form it might be a little more familiar.
You're going to need to change the widths for .Container and .Frame-contentWrap o/w for sure. People do not like large whitespace margins, and with the sidebar and ads on the right there's lots to fit on the screen anyway.

And I guarantee you at least some people want ridiculous widths that make posts hard to read because you have to keep moving your eyes from left-to-right. I have our forum set to 1800px width and still had a complaint from someone with a 4096x2304 monitor who wanted the posts to take up his entire screen width, even though many paragraphs wouldn't even fill an entire line.

ETA: I mean even an old guy like Bobo who's used a VIC-20 display most of his life wants a wider view.

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Old 03-26-2020, 06:04 PM   #116
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Man I always pick the weirdest times to check back in.
Welcome to my nightmare. 7-years?
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:18 PM   #117
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This is what the people will want:



Code:
.Container {
    margin: 0 auto;
    max-width: 1750px;
}
.Frame-contentWrap {
    width: 95%
}
.MainContent.Content {
    width: calc(100% - 320px);
    margin-right: 80px;
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:21 PM   #118
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Re: Big changes!!

This guy forums
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:34 PM   #119
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This is what the people will want:



Code:
.Container {
    margin: 0 auto;
    max-width: 1750px;
}
.Frame-contentWrap {
    width: 95%
}
.MainContent.Content {
    width: calc(100% - 320px);
    margin-right: 80px;
}
Done and ty

I guess people (like me) who preferred the fixed width can resize.
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:34 PM   #120
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on Vanilla's "vBulletin vs Vanilla" marketing page, they say that you can:



what do we need to do to make that happen? No one cares what the back end looks like if the UI and front end stays the same.

but please for the love of all that is holy in this life and the next do not change to what that preview link displays. We are all going to be in a weakened state soon enough from coronavirus, we don't need this monstrosity finishing us off.
+1 I agree with everything in this post.
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:56 PM   #121
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Re: Big changes!!

i still rock the old white/beige/grey layout, think its totally classic. and will miss it


i also miss the twoplustwo iphone app that went away years ago. that was really good, imo
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:57 PM   #122
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gregorio for the rescue
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Old 03-26-2020, 08:27 PM   #123
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Old 03-26-2020, 08:39 PM   #124
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lol, ****ing thank you Morph. Nailed it, per usual.
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Old 03-26-2020, 08:47 PM   #125
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I'm very confused by this, even having read Chuck's explanation.

I also run a vBulletin version 4 forum. Granted, my forum is smaller and has less traffic than 2+2, but that isn't really relevant here.

I'm not thrilled that vBulletin is no longer supported with security/PHP version updates, but I see no reason to switch. The software is stable, and there aren't any known major security flaws at the moment.

Also, they have a version 5 of vBulletin, which IS supported. Why not buy that instead? I'm not doing it because it will clobber my custom mods, but I would 100% do that upgrade over switching to this Vanilla garbage.

You guys should really reconsider. Seems like the new software is universally hated.
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