I haven't visited twoplustwo since they locked the thread.
If it's too much work, the moderators should just let it continue. It wasn't hurting anyone. I don't care. Some people actually enjoy the debates. We know the debaters do. But nobody wants to see it locked. That accomplishes nothing.

* 02-20-2020
† 10-27-2021

RIP

Long live the thread!

That thread turned out to be non-informative. Just a troll farm with what became a perpetual back-and-forth without conversation. Ad nauseam. Looping over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Wheelflush, there was no debate.


Thanks for reading

The entire thread was the absolute best source of covid information anywhere. TS killed the analysis by modelling and calling:

> Initial spread rate
> Case fatality rate
> Monetary response and its non-effect
> Fiscal response
> Government response
> MRNA and different vaccine timetables
> Variants and how they would emerge
> etc



Kingspew melts down when someone does not share his political beliefs, purely incapable of looking at analysis outside the warm assurance that the person has all the 'right' beliefs

thats been my experience too. ive lurked here a few months and recently start posting but the moderation on this forum is really political and biased. some of the worst ive ever seen

probably not going to come back if it stays like this.

I was busy this weekend so I didn't get in on that BFI thread. I mostly lurk in BFI, but I do regularly read the threads there. The Coronavirus thread there was the best one on this site until it recently went off the rails.

Overall, BFI is seriously feeling the loss of Toothsayer. I can understand that people do not like him for his politics and his abrasive attitude, but I don't think anybody can credibly say that he was not one of the most insightful posters there. With his recent absence, the quality of the forum has fallen off a cliff. It is actually really interesting how the loss of one poster can change the dynamic of an entire forum.

ppl in BFI are currently arguing that the vaccines will make you more vulnerable to COVID, what a magical cesspit the mods have created.

Well this is the legacy of tolerating the likes of Tooth for years - pretty much his entire schtick over the past few months has been anti-vax political rants, on top of years of posting borderline extremist hate speech. Interestingly, this anti-vax contingent emboldened by relatively soft moderation has been most vocal about how other posters (well really anyone with remotely liberal or mainstream political opinions) need to be banned and are the ones ruining rational discussion or whatever.

This is a pretty dogshlt summary

The only time moderators acted swiftly was removing shuffle for wild conspiracy theories. On the flip side the same moderator engaged cuepee shortly after as if he should be taken seriously. There are two loons from politics which had a consensus as zero value mental cases that needed to be moderated strictly. (either limit volume or ask them to leave). While swift action was taken on shuffle, nothing was done about these posters. The solution was to shut down the thread they polluted vs dealing with them (like shuffle). Now one of the mental cases has turned the tesla thread in to a hot pile of garbage. Again, nothing being done

Calling tooth or the anti-vax contingent some sort of prominent narrative is just weird. He and almost everyone posting regularly had declared their status as vaccinated. I would agree if you said there was a vocal opposition to mandatory vaccination, child vaccination, or pushback on the notion they developed a miracle jab. That's just the kind of discussion sensible adults engage in, wherever they land in the debate.

The obsession with tooth is just weird. He hasn't posted in months. There's plenty of reasons to criticize his style of posting. That said if you post on a bfi forum to make friends or have everyone agree with you, have fun. Having your positions challenged is not only valuable to you but everyone reading a back and forth argument with researched or explanatory positions is a massive shortcut to gaining knowledge and formulating your own perspective. However you feel about tooth or the rules regarding inflammatory posting style, this should not be conflated with mentally unwell rants from posters like shuffle or cuepee spamming page after page.

Came here to post a thread and say the same thing. Completely agree.

Wtf is the point of closing it?

Also, I don't really get why the mods of that forum want to continue to be mods other than some ego thing.

They certainly aint doing it for the pay.

Seems there were a lot of people emotionally impacted by that thread being locked, and since the owners do not care at all about it, or this thread, the best suggestion is that the crew that wants to post all the anti-vaxx media they like can form their own forum or chat group, much like the people who got booted from Politics by Mason a couple years ago. To their credit, they did create their own forum where they can set the rules and post as they want. It is even easier to setup that structure now, so perhaps some of those whining about volunteer mods on a completely outdated forum website can form their own vibrant chat group where only the ideas and people they want to participate can participate. I make this suggestion knowing the odds of it happening are pretty much zero, but it is a valid suggestion nonetheless.

Recently went off the rails? The thread's been filled with political propaganda at least since Mar 2020. It was just that Tooth, his alts and his fans brigaded anyone who disagreed with his political rants, so it was just political propaganda from one side only. The mods somehow went along with this at the time, so after owning TS so badly that TS literally took the ball and went home, I essentially got a polite DM from a mod asking me not to post, saying they kind of have to do this because the owners at the time thought Tooth is good for generating engagement (or something along those lines I don't remember exactly) so banning him was not an option.

The whole "go make your own forum" thing is posted a lot in BFI specifically. It is the equivalent of telling people that don't like everything about the United States to leave the country. I am sure if you think really hard, you can think of at least a few reasons why people don't want to just leave twoplustwo and form their own forum elsewhere.

Two loons from politics? There were tons of bad posters who were posting nothing but political nonsense (and posted nothing valuable anywhere else in BFI either). The reason why you and others were focused on two posters is because you're perfectly happy with political rants you agree with. Cuepee is pretty much a liberal TS, probably not as quite mentally ill though.

Then re-open the thread and get rid of all mods. Seriously, no difference to me, and the mods would probably be happy in the end with that choice, given their pay of $0. I admit it was a great source of the ever changing alt-right derp messaging targeting the appropriate passive consumers of it, so I always found it kind of interesting (albeit repetitive at times) overall.

The political exiles would likely say they are thrilled they created their own space to have a safe space for what they want to talk about, so its not that unreasonable an option given how easy it is to create such a structure these days that is not as badly outdated as forums like these, but sure - make the appeal to the owners, and after they completely ignore the appeal - choose whatever is best for you.

I mean the crowd that's complaining about Cuepee's political rants was perfectly fine with posts like this (not quoting because it's vile):

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13296

Which references:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/iq-bell-curve-midwit (warning: racial slurs)

Allowing Tooth to post like for years effectively created this weird right-wing populist community in BFI that now feels empowered to censor opposing political viewpoints.

wut
how is that vile?

Did you see where the image Tooth used came from in the other page? Hint: the caption for the middle of the bell curve says "I'm not racist"

I mean, no, I don't often know the origin of memes and I'd assume like 95% of people don't for this specific one.
Droolers and geniuses arriving at the same & correct conclusions for different reasons while the "midwit" is wrong occasionally happens and is sorta funny? Sorry to learn the unfortunate/nasty way it was created.

Also, in case people think Tooth was using that accidentally without knowing the implications, search the Coronavirus thread for "low-iq" - it's his own code word for "black":

Btw, my recollection is that Tooth's previous accounts got banned for much more explicitly racist proclamations - this is him trying to be subtle.

The coronavirus thread functioned virtually unmoderated for well over a year without any major dramas that I am aware of. There were a lot of differing opinions which made it interesting imo. That all changed when the trolls turned up. Two of them to be precise. One mentally unwell individual with severe OCD and one serial troll.

Blatant zero content trolling ruined the thread, not the political opinions of various posters. The one poster in particular who has a long history of trolling on this site decided he would come and troll the thread with malicious zero content garbage directed at posters he didn't like. The whole thing quickly deteriorated from that point on.

This was pointed out to the moderator repeatedly by multiple regulars. Removing that one troll would have largely solved the problem. Instead we get one of the most interesting threads on 2plus2 shut down because a moderator couldn't be bothered actually moderating.

Interesting that the troll has now appeared in this thread to opine on the mess that he himself created, without a hint of self awareness.

Amazing.

lol, that would explain a lot.

This is also a really bad comparison. Cuepee can be aggressive and not always well-informed, but he isn't that far out there - and I say this as someone who also had to argue against his conspiracy theory (see this thread for example: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...virus-1770209/). His opinions and biases are fairly typical for a left-wing democrat, sort of like Tooth's opinions and biases are fairly typical for a right-wing populist. Shuffle on the other hand is pretty clearly suffering from mental issues that are preventing him from functioning normally.

So for those right-leaning posters who see Tooth's political rants harmless while being super-sensitive to Cuepee's, well as a fairly middle-of-the-road person on most relevant political issues here, they seem pretty similar to me.