If you ask them it’s because I’m an evil machiavellian type character that viciously hacked and doxxed dozens of people

The reality was, I was getting weird PM activity that I was alerted to, found a PM thread that was thousands of posts with like a quarter or more of the forum in it, and I made a mistake and opened it. It had some vicious and really unfair stuff in there about me and I got mad and made it public for a few hours, and turned off post deletion.

In reality I manage much more important things IRL and in the scheme of things this was so absolutely minor and inconsequential but it was blown way out of proportion. I am a pretty competent person, I made a mistake and let people’s harassment and bullying get to me in what was supposed to be an easy volunteer position but it turned into this weird power struggle between individuals that obsess over power dynamics in a forum that’s smaller than most subreddits.

That’s basically it. Dgaf really what anyone thinks about it anymore, I have much more important **** to do right now.

Yeah, jmakin got shafted imo.

why would a mod ever have access to pms in the first place?

how would one be "alerted by a weird pm activity"

is 2p2 run the same way?

Speaking more generally about the problem of evil, without referring to your specific actions (I personally have no idea how bad or justifiable they were on the whole and I assume at this point it's impossible for me to know), it's important to realize that even the most evil actions don't appear to be some kind of vicious, evil Machiavellian acts to those who commit them. Instead, this is how they would appear to the perpetrator:

The common fallacy many of us succumb to is comparing ourselves to the caricature of evil, realizing that we aren't like that, then absolving ourselves of blame, or even worse, assuming that people that made us feel bad, whose internal motivations we're not privy to, must have evil intentions. With that said, you're old and smart enough to understand that many times over, the hard part is applying it in ambiguous, emotional situations consistently.

I assumed "admin" meant "site administrator" given jmakin's background, rather than moderator, whose access would be more limited. And site admins would generally have access to all unencrypted personal information, including PMs.

I think 2p2 mods have access to some personal information, or at least used to, though I'd be surprised if this includes PMs. Site admins would certainly be able to read your PMs however.

Lol doug polk was a mod... Can he read my PMs?

Mods do not have access to PMs, here.

Presumably Admins do; but I have never heard of any Admin accessing any.

There's always someone who has to administer the servers, including the databases, and will have access to everything.

You’re not wrong, I ****ed up, and it was a bad thing and the primary thing I am ashamed about is violating a promise I had made to that community.

What it turned into after was increasingly vicious, unfair, and incorrect assumptions and accusations about the depths of what I “hacked” (btw some people need to re-learn the definition of that word) all of which are ridiculous and (were) upsetting to me, as I have stated plainly and honestly exactly what I did, which can and was verified by impossible to modify admin logs. Combine that with thinly and not so thinly veiled threats and repeated attacks on my mental health/state (which preceded this incident and are extremely uncool, as I have obviously written very publicly about my struggles with depression) and that leads you to the attitude I have now towards the situation.

The profound lack of compassion and empathy on display by some individuals in that community, a community that likes to think of itself as full of those qualities, was a bit disturbing but now kind of funny to me.

people were upset by the moderation as a group of bullies was trolling and banning anyone that didnt toe the party line by showing proper subservience to Wookie, IkesToys, Jman and a few others.

a PM thread was devised to discuss it. it started small with people from different ideologies. some people wanted to take action and try to fix it. most of us were just blowing off steam.

Jmakin was an admin as such he noticed it. he may or may not have been reading it the whole time. not sure.

at some point Jmakin decided to use his admin actions to make the entire thousand post thread public.

the usual bullies then combed thru the whole thing to take the most uncharitable views of out of context private messages to ban people. any attempts to defend the PMs or those banned resulted in further bans.

Jmakin ofc was not banned or even removed as admin.

one poster made an innocuous reference to Jmakins mental state to do that and caught a perma. meanwhile, Jmakin is running around making tons of posts just like the one directed a me above (for the record he is clearly confused about the top posters thing, that was someone else. as for my job, well Im good lol. and as an aside, can you imagine the butthurt from Jmakin if anyone ever makes a post even close to that? he really is just a functional babs)

eventually there was enough of an uproar that Jmaking quit on his own volition.

now hes quite proud of himself.

this is why you are babs. self serving lies.

the people in the thread defended you immensely and told everyone to be nice to you. proly bc they were scared of you.

As always with you it’s fairly impossible to tell if you’re lying or actually that wrong.

Im banned from Unstuck. Jmakins team of won! he didnt need to leave.

Unstuck is lame anyway. Stay with us here forever!

1. Things you know you don't understand
2. Things you don't know you don't understand
3. Don't understand nothings
4. Nothings understand Don

I would assume 2p2 is even less secure. UP at least has the option of encrypted end to end private messages. 2p2 does not. He was not a moderator, he was an admin. But yes, if you’re sending personal information in pm’s at 2p2 then you are making a huge mistake. If you need to send personal information, exchange email addresses via pm and then send it that way.

Pretty interesting conflict I knew nothing about. Feel tempted to share my thoughts, but it's really not my place.

What the hell is a babs by the way? Referring to this? > "A community of Boss Ass Bitches who work together to uplift and empower other like minded Babs" (Urban Dictionary)

a bab is a Bay Area Beast

Most people just love the boot. So long as it's kicking someone else.

Used to be that 2p2 was made fun of in UP ATF. Now UP is made fun of in 2p2 ATF. Things have really come full circle.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...thief-1704093/

Cheers!

Cheers!

Wasn't jmakin only temp-banned?

That's good to hear!

Wait, is this the same ikestoys on 2p2? Wasn't he like the exact type of poster that this group was trying to avoid? How'd he end up there?