See that's what I am trying to avoid that this forum suffers any embarrassment. Any chance that you can be the one to lock them and not Gregorio?

So it's this then. Undoubtedly disappointed he couldn't get in any shots in the latest politics complaint thread.

Yawn.

You could stop posting.

That would help a fair bit.

Not my posting or otherwise doing it. If the powers at be are happy to let mods that obviously have a certain predisposition (based on previous threads started in ATF) to make judgement calls on what really is the end of the line for any recourse from the moderation in politics then I'm not sure, as I originally posited, why such threads should even be allowed to be started and we just have a no politics thread starting sticky in ATF.

Bundy,
What, specifically, is your problem?

Yeah, that's sort of how modding works in every forum. Administration allows mods to make judgement calls. And like every human being, they will have certain predispositions. Not that I'm agreeing with your assessment in this case, but yeah, that's kind of human nature in general.

Oh, well then let me explain it for you. The threads should be allowed to be started so that posters can air their grievances and have their question(s) answered. In the last thread that was locked, the OP had his grievances aired and his questions answered. Just because you don't like when the thread was locked doesn't mean there was no purpose to having the thread in the first place.

Hope that clears things up for you.

These ATF politics threads inevitably end up at: my thread shouldn't have been locked, all I was saying was [attempt to rehash politics argument that got canned in the politics form for being so terrible].

Nothing wrong with discussing Wookie's moderation in ATF, but this really isn't the place for a, sex trafficking, is it really as bad as people say it is? discussion.

If you want to discuss politics, there's a forum for that. If you can't meet the low bar for what is an acceptable thread in the politics forum, you shouldn't be using ATF as a proxy.

If you want to complain about my moderation, at least you found the correct forum for that. Unfortunately this is not the correct thread. This is the ATF chatroom for O/T chat:
This is the thread for updates about Mike Haven's peahens and memes from Morpheus. If you want to cry that gregorio doesn't like it when people bring their terrible, unfit-for-the-politics-thread politics posting here, start your own thread. Knowing me, I'd probably just lock it though.

lol

This, a thousand times.

Right. This is:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...y-mod-1719193/

I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that there's "nothing wrong with discussing Wookie's moderation in ATF" (could probably replace Wookie with "X" here, it's just politics gets more threads), given that it's completely obvious that complaints will rarely, if ever, be given any consideration.

Of course, that's the correct outcome much of the time IMO, but it's not surprising that posters notice that and wonder what the point is. But in the most recent thread there was, in point of fact, some discussion about the actual modding decision. I know there was, because I instigated it :P

I'm embarrassed for you.

I think this is the only post I've seen you make that needs some cheese.

I have some nice Camembert to have with some Beaujolais and crackers later. I also have some complaints about the unavailability of baguette here, while I'm airing grievances

Well then your set! Yummy.

Yeah, I think there's some good points here. The thing is, Mat is happy to pretty much let mods run things the way they see fit, unless he sees a pretty major problem. That doesn't mean criticism here always falls on deaf ears - if it's actually constructive, I think there are times it may have an influence on how moderators do things, and I know there have been numerous times when Mat has taken action. But I completely get criticisms of mods supporting each other in this forum, and I'm sure we have some moderators that aren't going to change one iota as a result of any criticism they get here.

So do threads here change anything? Yeah, I think they do sometimes, and other times they probably have little effect. And I think that wn is right - much of the time, that's the correct outcome. Doesn't mean this forum is perfect, but I don't think it's changing any time soon.

More cheese talk!

Okay I'll go back and delete all the politics content and will re-open to discuss moderation and any political content posts will result in temp bans.

Greg:

Are you a big Metallica fan?

Just curious.

I always imagine Greg listening to this when locking threads or banning people.

Booker , I was never really a big Metallica fan at the time, but I came to appreciate them in the early aughts when all the new music was such crap. These days I don't go out of my way to listen to them, but if I hear one of their songs (from Metallica or earlier--don't really know their stuff after that except St Anger which can go **** itself) I get excited. How about you?

I will probably catch up on some Master of Puppets as soon as Guerdon starts posting again.

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