Moved some posts about 2+2 allowing this advertising from the sponsored thread over to here, where they belong.
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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
How is this allowed but promotion of PP clubs aren’t?
Where did you get the idea that promotion of PP clubs isn't allowed? No decision has been made on that at this time.
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Find it amazing that 2+2 is promoting this obviously dodgy model
We're not promoting it, but we are accepting an advertisement. Do you have any specific reasons we shouldn't?
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Originally Posted by NINzent
It hasn't even been two years that they were advertising a fake "asian" pokersite (that seems like it was actually located in the ukraine) that was just a bunch of superusers pretending to be chinese fish to lure in regs. (Hope I got it right)
Well, given that I can't remember a single site outside of Cereus that has been proven to have super users, it doesn't sound entirely accurate, but perhaps you could provide some more details, if you think it would be in some way helpful to the discussion in this thread. I'm not sure how it would be, TBH.
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Originally Posted by Discard
Bobo Fett,
I'm well aware that you for a long time have been the official "2+2 Ad Man", so I replied to your questions above in good faith.
Actually, you only replied to one question, which I probably shouldn't have asked anyway, but I appreciate you having done so. The rest of my questions, you seemed to take as some kind of "answering a question with a question", when in fact I was simply seeking clarification, and so you answered my questions with more of your own.
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Originally Posted by Discard
In turn, I would really like to get your (and therefore 2+2's) official take on this situation
I'm not sure what situation you're referring to, but I'll do my best to answer your previous questions as asked, although most of them are difficult for me to respond to.
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Originally Posted by Discard
(since obviously I disagree with a lot of what the APC company itself stands for, does, and is stating, so the response by apcgreg, while probably well intended, does not mean much to me).
If you disagree with his responses, you should let him know.
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Originally Posted by Discard
Do you think private poker clubs online are legal?
That's a pretty vague question. I expect that there are certain types of private poker clubs that are legal in certain jurisdictions, and others that are illegal.
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Originally Posted by Discard
Do you think circumventing restrictions (only Chinese players allowed) makes player accounts even more exposed to be taken advantage of?
Based on such a vague question, I have no idea.
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Originally Posted by Discard
I don't know how these links are meant to relate to your points.
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Originally Posted by Discard
My understanding is that they dropped Red Dragon's "trustability" rating based on feedback they received. As for Poker Master, I see a couple of specific allegations about payment that are concerning, from a couple of years ago. Beyond that, there are a lot of non-specific critical posts, as we see for pretty much all poker sites. I couldn't possibly say if they deserve a "trustability" rating of 0, 5, or something in between.
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Originally Posted by Discard
Regarding my question to it being comparable to e.g. someone offering VPN or 'fake relocation' services after Black Friday:
I'm happy to concede that point, if 2+2 never had the stance that those weren't allowed to openly advertise here. My memory on this seemed different...
Different than whose memory? I didn't disagree that we didn't/don't allow ads like that; I asked you how this was the same.
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Originally Posted by Discard
Finally though, even if it being deemed illegal or comparable to sth. that hasn't been allowed on 2+2 prior still doesn't 'negates the possibility of them advertising here' then I assume my reply seems useless anyway and case closed...
Why would you assume that? You've left out some rather important words from my reply:
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That's not to say that either of these things necessarily negates the possibility of them advertising here, but I'd like to know more.
The message is that there isn't a blanket rule that any site that does something considered illegal in certain jurisdictions will never be able to advertise with us. Everything is situation dependent, which is why I said "I'd like to know more". I meant it.
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Not a good look when critical posts in said thread are being deleted
One post was deleted, not because it was critical of the site, but because it was critical of our decision to allow their advertising; those posts belong here. The poster was informed that they're welcome to post about it here.
I've now quoted 3 more posts from that thread, and responded to them here, and will be deleting them from that thread. I'll post in that thread explaining why, and providing a link to this thread.
If any of this sounds dismissive, it's not intended to be. I understand why there would be concerns. I would certainly be cautious about playing on private poker clubs (I would actually be cautious playing almost anywhere online these days, albeit with different levels of caution depending where it was). At the same time, I know many 2+2ers already do, and I'm sure we have a small network of agents and affiliates who create accounts here and PM people about them, which results in our members signing up with people they know little about. When someone like APC advertises with us, people are able to bring up concerns publicly, and others can make their decision with that information in hand. That's not to make this out as a public service we're doing for our members, and I understand that some will view the advertisements as some kind of endorsement by 2+2, which no one ever should on any publication for any advertiser, unless said publication explicitly endorses them.
Your concerns are welcome, and all will be read and considered. Even if we don't take action, that doesn't mean your input wasn't valued, or that something might not change in the future as a result.