I'm sure this thread will go the same way as the last, where I—a Jew—was repeatedly called a white supremacist and told to go **** myself by the angry Politics dwellers. But I'm not making this thread for the groupthink-devoted mods from the Politics forum, or their militant partisans. This thread, like the previous one, is for 2p2 admins and reasonable members of the forums to try to improve the failed Politics forum.

Here was the post I made—my first post since the last ban—responding to a poster who was asking for how conservatives could attack Buttigieg:

But I guess I didn't preface it by saying that I myself don't actually espouse the above criticisms that Republicans will use to attack Buttigieg. (A thinking mod would realize Jews don't typically subscribe to New Testament scripture on homosexuality.) So despite responding with exactly what the poster asked for, in a way that I'm sure tens of millions of Republican voters would sign off on, I was banned for "Homophobia."

It's ban-level homophobia to say that Republicans will point to the Bible to criticize Buttigieg's gay lifestyle? Or that they disparage people without a wife and children in leadership positions? It's completely true that Republicans think that way, and again, I don't subscribe to those criticisms.

If the election were today, I would vote for Buttigieg. But I shouldn't have to say this to be able to post in the forum. As I said in the post, I've bet on him to win. But the rabid mods in Politics see anything that isn't dripping with loyalty as an affront to liberalism (note irony), and will ban anyone if they aren't clearly espousing allegiance. This total obliviousness is what has them banning a Buttigieg supporter as homophobic after banning a Jew for being a white supremacist sympathizer.

Politics is fun and interesting when you discuss the opposition strategy and try to understand opposing and nuanced viewpoints. But the Politics forum we have now on this site seems to be strictly a circle-jerk of hating the Right, and hating those who don't hate the Right enough, and praising those who show inspired hatred for the Right. And it's janitored by bitter mods who ban not just people who aren't liberal, but people who are liberal but post things that don't make it immediately obvious what their views are and this confuses the mods so they ban them anyway.

So if any mods want to apologize in this thread, feel free, but I don't expect that, of course. I do expect the mods to have a visceral sense that they're wrong, and I expect the people who PM'ed me in support of my last thread here but who didn't want to deal with the hostile backlash of expressing that support in the thread to know the mods are wrong. And the other lurkers in this forum who would like to have a functional Politics forum on this site—I expect they'll know the mods are wrong.

I'm sorry you went through that and I'd like to apologize. Have you considered the Politics thread in Las Vegas Lifestyle? It is modded much more fairly.

I didn’t ban you this time but totally would have. Take your homophobic gay-bashing takes elsewhere. And as a fellow Jew, stop trying to make the claim that just because you are Jewish somehow your takes are any less abhorrent.

Regards,

—jman220

You are still doubling down on white supremacy and white nationalism being different. They arent and saying they are is pushing white supremacist tactics.

If you dont want to look like one you might not want to do that.


Can gay people be family men and women?

2+2 once had a thriving politics forum that allowed (virtually) any content. And nobody could be banned for their posts in that forum. I wonder what ever happened to that forum?

Narrator: the forum was shuttered for its reprehensible posting (and moderation).

i dislike the idea that people are silenced for opinions, even if their opinions are distasteful. but i do like silencing trolls. like before, he makes a statement that he can't mean:

"He's obviously not a family man. He's married to another man—so he's another one of these politicians with no personal stake in future generations, and doesn't understand what it means to work for a better country for your children and grandchildren."

I don't have children. But I know children that I like and care about. I also have neices and nephews, as do so many other people without their own children. Again the request to have this situation reviewed by management is denied.

I wrote the above and looked at his post again. He is saying that he doesn't believe what he posted, that he was simply pointing out the arguments other people might have. Why is that not believable?

Because that’s not what he wrote? I find it’s easiest to just interpret posts in the simplest and most logical fashion possible. He certainly appears to be espousing his own beliefs written in the first person here... He didn’t write “He’s going to be attacked by people who will claim he’s not a family man.” He wrote “He’s not a family man.” And if you look at the rest of the context of his post, along with his posting history thus far in the politics forum, it makes it pretty obvious, at least to me, that he meant what he said and he said what he meant.

Edit: That said, as I posted earlier, this wasn’t my ban, I only learned of it from this thread. I’ll certainly let Wookie chime in here since I assume it was his.

no

As I've pointed out before, you are so cynical and disingenuous, I have a hard time believing that you actually believe what you write. You really think what I've said above about what conservatives will say about Buttigieg to be gay-bashing? How clear have I been that the post is anticipating mainstream conservative criticisms of Buttigieg?

The only reason I shared that I'm Jewish in the last post was to underscore how blinded you are to the fact that I'm not a white supremacist, which a reasonable person would never have inferred in the first place from the post I made. My ethnicity should be irrelevant, and in a well-modded forum, it would be. But you're so oblivious that I've been compelled to bring it up—in this case to highlight that it should be absurd to assume that a Jew would be genuinely citing New Testament scripture to "gay-bash" a candidate that he plans to vote for.


Of course. How many times do I have to say that the above post was in response to the poster whose question was "How does the GOP attack Buttigieg?"


Exactly. I clearly quoted what I was responding to. The Politics mods know it's not only believable but obvious, but they are just as I characterized them in the OP. They're hostile and partisan, and will ban what doesn't obviously conform to their groupthink. And if they get it wrong, they're obstinate and disingenuous. And since they don't like me already for pointing this out, their petty vindictiveness is ratcheted up another level.

Here's a perfect example of what I just said. Jman pretends to think that someone he knows to be Jewish, quoting New Testament scripture, obviously means what he said. He can see as clear as anyone that I'm responding to the quote "How does the GOP attack Buttigieg?" He can see that I've said I'm a Buttigieg supporter and I know his whole bio. He knows I'm just anticipating Republican criticism. But he pretends not to, because he's petty and vindictive and childish. And that's why we need new mods in the Politics forum.


And although I made this point before, the criticisms I mention are ones that tens of millions of Republicans agree with. These are people with votes that matter as much as anybody's. And a politics forum that bans anyone expressing mainstream political views has no value as a politics forum.

Pretty sure Mat doesn't believe you?

I don't believe you didn't have in mind the possibility of getting a new complaint thread going when you chose not to explicitly frame your remarks.

(Shrug)

lol, what a ****ing take. "We should be allowed to post homophobia/white supremacy/etc as long as it's mainstream enough, otherwise there's no point to any of this!"

My entire forum thesis had that as a premise. Doesn't seem laughable to me (the mainstream bit, I mean)

i don't really understand your objection. you love the gay guy for president, but don't like it when the biased mods infract you for pretending to hate the gay guy? especially since it was obvious to them you love the gay guy?


i don't believe him. you are correct. but i am willing to keep an open mind.


yes. i know this will make you want to punch me in the balls, but yes. if mainstream media is promoting something you think is bigoted, i think it should be ok for people to express those views on this site. i also think it is ok for people to express opposition to those views on this website.

Oh boy. Here we go again.

This is why i dont believe you. A reasonable person who was innocently saying there is a difference between white supremacy and white nationalism when told there is not and its been a longtime tactic to soften white supremacy and push that message would reconsider things and look into it.

Its perfectly reasonable for those of us who have been around this stuff for a while to infer it. That you refuse to see that and call it unreasonable makes me wonder.

Yeah, and look how that **** turned out.

Being cool with spreading homophobia, white supremacy and anti-semitism only to threaten to shut down the ****ing politics forum for responding to it negatively shows otherwise.

Since when has the mainstream media promoted that we should pay attention to the difference between white nationalism and white supremacism, or that married gay couples aren’t “family” people and don’t care about kids? Those are not mainstream views.

There is nothing admirable about being too incurious to form an opinion and too chicken**** to take a stand.

i think a lot of right wing radio talk shows go there? am i wrong? or is limbaugh not mainstream?

seems like something he might say. and i will stick by my belief that these are stupid ****ing words on a pretty small internet message board and who cares? refute it. ignore it, etc..

you guys may be driving me out of a job.

and yet i admire myself for that. so there you have it. stand taken.

Think im your only supporter. To me most of the far rights arguments are bad so let the shinning light of day do its sanitizing.

But don't call a conservative stupid or Mason will threaten to shut down your forum, that's a bridge too ****ing far