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06-29-2024 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
I have everything back to 2009. Its EVERYONE.

Thats why no one but joey would dare come here to support my efforts and why Joey wants to deal with things via dm. Nope.

Its REALLY easy to see kids look:

What exactly am I looking for in this screenshot of the forum?
06-29-2024 , 03:48 PM
I figured out people like Mason and Josem etc very well understand this, and the work very hard to hid this concept from the players. Its not easy to understand, it takes VERY nuanced dialogue. And they knew this. And now I have the proof they did this against the betterment of the game.
06-29-2024 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
What exactly am I looking for in this screenshot of the forum?
In the screenshot ur seeing the most RELEVANT threads to the data leak that show the corruption across the span of poker and the history of it. Ur seeing the TRUE function of NVG. Its a collector of information and transformer of it into disinformation.

And it breaks the constitutional framework of the US and many that are reading this know this.

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Originally Posted by Ideal Poker
. Then, more specifically, a “PSFTCIAFBICIA " would favor the existence of a “manipulative" state establishment of raked poker and poker skin which would continuously seek to achieve “raked" objectives with comparatively little regard for the long term reputation of the poker currency and the associated effects of that on the reputation of poker sites domestic to the state.

And indeed a very famous saying of PSFTCIAFBICIA was “...in the long run we will all be dead..."
06-29-2024 , 03:51 PM
Huh, I just see a list of threads.

Why don't you explain to us what the actual bad thing happening is?
06-29-2024 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Lol dude. Joey himself said upthread that you've been pestering him for years. Now he's decided to hear you out, so he's part of the conspiracy? Is he a panda now?
I am working with the AI snapshot

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Originally Posted by jbouton
Joey keeps he dms full, cause he doesn't want to face things.
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Originally Posted by jbouton
Joey is dming me trying to get me to back off and chill about things.

Isn't that telling to you all in and of itself? How come a straight up poker player doesn't say "Geez the cheating expose threads eh? NVG? Ya obviously this guy knows things, OBVIOUSLY there is problem having him in those threads...lets pressure the mods to let him talk about the truth"

Instead I'm getting dms from joey telling me 'lets talk off site we are being monitored'

I want to talk in the players pubic eye joey. Not in private with any of you.
It is being monitored by you 10 years from now and the mods asked to take it to the private space instead of ITT

You said you might be banned so I said lets talk somewhere else


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Originally Posted by jbouton
I don't have to beat your shitty cartel you guys. Thats dumb poker. Thats immoral poker. I just have to create moments of snapshots for the AI.

Shall we continue about what types of information I am going to leak to the players community?

Where's josem?
The AI does see all

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Originally Posted by jbouton
How come theres not a single poker news organization is interested in a global players players data leak that affects the integrity of the game going back as far as 2009?
I am in the thread talking to you about it

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Originally Posted by jbouton
I also want to be allowed in NVG so we can re-visit this scenario and re-vist different players reactions from around the community:



This will set the stage for a wider discussion.

Specifically I want to be allowed to address phil galfonds commentary on the situation. But I want to be able to do so with the community of players.
What are your thoughts on this case? You can share your opinion here. What does Phil Galfond have to do with it?


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Originally Posted by jbouton
This information completely changes our understanding of what happened on black friday especially with respect to full tilt.

And we need to re-visit the UB scandal as well.
What does the information change about that?

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Originally Posted by jbouton
Hi JoeyChicago

The players would like to know what you know about culture of multi-accounting and cheating with respect to such.

Any comments Joey?
I know all about that culture - I've been in online poker almost 20 years - people use multiple accounts depending on what arena they are playing in and where they are playing from. It's become pretty common. People move and make new accounts, get banned and make new accounts, make new accounts to switch up the run good. For people who want to play poker online due to geofencing I don't have much of an issue. Some sites let you have multiple accounts and switch in the game. I don't really have an issue with it and it's something you look out for when you see accounts switching to get an account tell.

Some people use more than one account in the games at once depending on where they are playing because of the lack of security, ease, etc. . Lots of people get old fish account to use them at higher stakes - happening regularly. It's a big part of peoples strategies w/ the way "online poker" is set up now.

If people are playing on their own, they still have to win at the game and it's not easy. If you're using more than one account in the game working together, I do have a problem with that but it's also common.

I've seen you bring this up before the "mod forum" leak - what is your take?

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Originally Posted by jbouton


How come jonathan Little isn't interested in an information dump that affects the integrity of the game?
What did DNegs do?

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Originally Posted by jbouton
I have everything back to 2009. Its EVERYONE.

Thats why no one but joey would dare come here to support my efforts and why Joey wants to deal with things via dm. Nope.

Its REALLY easy to see kids look:

Everyone isn't cheating - why are you making claims like that?

I came here because I started spending more time on here again but starting to regret that decision being treated by "community members" like this - I deal with 99.9% of "responsible disclosures" privately - why is that out of line?

And now you are black mailing everyone on the forum with your data from 2009 and think that is fine?
06-29-2024 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Huh, I just see a list of threads.

Why don't you explain to us what the actual bad thing happening is?
How come you don't want less rake?

How was I able to say all these things we know were previously banned by the old guard?
06-29-2024 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey

What are your thoughts on this case? You can share your opinion here. What does Phil Galfond have to do with it?

Yes what does phil galfond have to do with accusations of live cheating occuring? I want to be able to talk about these things in NVG. Especially where the cheating expose threads are. Why won't you support that?

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What does the information change about that?
Give me a platform in front of the players.


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I know all about that culture - I've been in online poker almost 20 years - people use multiple accounts depending on what arena they are playing in and where they are playing from. It's become pretty common. People move and make new accounts, get banned and make new accounts, make new accounts to switch up the run good. For people who want to play poker online due to geofencing I don't have much of an issue. Some sites let you have multiple accounts and switch in the game. I don't really have an issue with it and it's something you look out for when you see accounts switching to get an account tell.

Some people use more than one account in the games at once depending on where they are playing because of the lack of security, ease, etc. . Lots of people get old fish account to use them at higher stakes - happening regularly. It's a big part of peoples strategies w/ the way "online poker" is set up now.

If people are playing on their own, they still have to win at the game and it's not easy. If you're using more than one account in the game working together, I do have a problem with that but it's also common.
How do you feel about pros taking over accounts of bad players?

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Everyone isn't cheating - why are you making claims like that?
I question that. I would like a platform to talk about the cheating I see.
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I came here because I started spending more time on here again but starting to regret that decision being treated by "community members" like this - I deal with 99.9% of "responsible disclosures" privately - why is that out of line?

And now you are black mailing everyone on the forum with your data from 2009 and think that is fine?
Its not blackmailing that the players have been hidden from the truth of the control over the game. I'm not blackmailing. The game has been held hostage, the integrity of it. I'm releasing it from its holders.
06-29-2024 , 04:04 PM
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What did DNegs do?
I want to ask you joey. dnegs put out a book called 'small ball poker'

Now you see, I have argued for many years, which 2p2 has banned for calling crazy and irrational, that BAD players are selling BAD POKER to the community.

You joey argue thats not true. Is daniels books GOOD poker, or BAD POKER?

Remember, keep in mind, dnges was the head marketing player pro rep for pokerstars that LEAD the campaign ON YOUR PODCAST that MORE rake is better than LESS rake.

I don't have the podcast but it DEFO happened:

06-29-2024 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
How come you don't want less rake?

How was I able to say all these things we know were previously banned by the old guard?
I talked about less rake being good in my videos for years - where is your content on it?

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Originally Posted by jbouton
In the screenshot ur seeing the most RELEVANT threads to the data leak that show the corruption across the span of poker and the history of it. Ur seeing the TRUE function of NVG. Its a collector of information and transformer of it into disinformation.

And it breaks the constitutional framework of the US and many that are reading this know this.
Because they don't allow you to speak in every thread on "ideal poker" and "p2p poker"

I ban people all the time from my chat for any reason I want - it's forum/community/comment moderation 101
06-29-2024 , 04:07 PM
Oh ****, button's been blackmailing us? He's such a great communicator that I didn't even realise that was the deal here. Please, button, what do I need to do to stop my email and birthday being leaked? I'll do anything!
06-29-2024 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
I talked about less rake being good in my videos for years - where is your content on it?
It was banned on every major poker site including phil galfonds rio. And no one would give me a voice.

So the players couldn't have a proper representation.

Joey have you ever made friends with a bad player and watched your friends exploit that certain person I'm thinking about? Because making videos about it saying its bad, but then being WHOLLY connected to it, isn't balanced morality. Right?
06-29-2024 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Oh ****, button's been blackmailing us? He's such a great communicator that I didn't even realise that was the deal here. Please, button, what do I need to do to stop my email and birthday being leaked? I'll do anything!
There is no blackmailing happening.

Why so squeamish?
06-29-2024 , 04:11 PM
Joey how come you won't support responsible disclosure to the community and my participation in cheat expose threads?
06-29-2024 , 04:12 PM
Phil galfond how come you won't support responsible disclosure to the players community and my ability to participate in cheat expose threads?
06-29-2024 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
How come you don't want less rake?

How was I able to say all these things we know were previously banned by the old guard?
I definitely want less rake.

I don't know what was banned by the old guard and don't really care. If you can say whatever you want now, just go ahead and say it.

If your only point is that ten years ago you were prevented from saying something, well, that is sad, but it's not particularly relevant now.
06-29-2024 , 04:18 PM
Why did Nash's work get banned from the view of the players community:

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Originally Posted by Ideal Poker by Soaker Patoshi
Political Evolution

There perhaps will always be “rake", like also “death and taxes". But it is sometimes remarkable how poker strategies can evolve. And in relation to that I think that it is possible that “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ " are like a political faction that will become less influential as a result of poker revolution. The “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ” view of things did not come into existence until after the time when what we can call “Black Friday" had become established in the US. And by this label we wish to differentiate between any theoretical or ideal concept of justice and the actual formof governing regime structure that came to exercise state power on the poker community. (All over the world varieties of sites make claims to have systems very properly or even ideally devoted to the interests of the professional or recreational players of those sites and always an externally located critic can argue that the site is actually a sort of despotism.)

PSFTCIAFBIDOJ implicitly always have the argument that some good managers can do things of beneficial value, operating with the skins, and that it is not needed or appropriate for the players or the “customers" of the chips supplied by the site to actually understand, while the managers are managing, what exactly they are doing and how itwill affect the “ROI" circumstances of these players. I see this as analogous to how the PSFTCIAFBIDOJ were claiming to provide something much better than Ponzi schemes that they could not deny existed in all other sites. But in the end the “dictatorship of the proletariat” seemedto become rather exposed as simply the dictatorship of the regime. So there may be an analogy to this as regards those called “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ” in that while they have claimed to be operating for high and noble objectives of general poker welfare what is clearly true is that they have made it easier for their sites to “print money".

So I see the entire privately raked community as in a weak sense comparable to the “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ " because of the support of both parties for a certain “lack of transparency" relating to the functions of poker sites as seen by the players. And for both of them it can be said that they tend to think in terms of sites operating in a benevolent fashion that is, however, beyond the comprehension of the player of the raked sites. And this parallel makes it seem not implausible that a process of poker revolution might lead to the expectation on the part of players in the “great game types" that they should be better situated to be able to understand whatever will be the rake policies which, indeed, are typically of great importance to players who may have alternative options for where to place their “deposits".

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Originally Posted by Ideal Money by John Nash
Political Evolution

There perhaps will always be “politics”, like also “death and taxes”. But it is sometimes remarkable how political contexts can evolve. And in relation to that I think that it is possible that “the Keynesians” are like a political faction that will become less influential as a result of political evolution. The “Keynesian” view of things did not come into existence until after the time when what we can call “Bolshevik communism” had become established in Russia. And by this label we wish to differentiate between any theoretical or ideal concept of communism and the actual form of governing regime structure that came to exercise state power in Moscow. (All over the world varieties of states make claims to have governments very properly or even ideally devoted to the interests of the citizens or nationals of those states and always an externally located critic can argue that the government is actually a sort of despotism.) The Keynesians implicitly always have the argument that some good managers can do things of beneficial value, operating with the treasury and the central bank, and that it is not needed or appropriate for the citizenry or the “customers” of the currency supplied by the state to actually understand, while the managers are managing, what exactly they are doing and how it will affect the “pocketbook” circumstances of these customers.

I see this as analogous to how the “Bolshevik communists” were claiming to provide something much better than the “bourgeois democracy” that they could not deny existed in some other countries. But in the end the ”dictatorship of the proletariat” seemed to become rather exposed as simply the dictatorship of the regime. So there may be an analogy to this as regards those called ”the Keynesians” in that while they have claimed to be operating for high and noble objectives of general welfare what is clearly true is that they have made it easier for governments to “print money”.

So I see the Keynesians as in a weak sense comparable to the “Bolsheviks” because of the support of both parties for a certain “lack of transparency” relating to the functions of government as seen by the citizenry. And for both of them it can be said that they tend to think in terms of government agencies operating in a benevolent fashion that is, however, beyond the comprehension of the citizens of the state. And this parallel makes it seem not implausible that a process of political evolution might lead to the expectation on the part of citizens in the “great democracies” that they should be better situated to be able to understand whatever will be the monetary policies which, indeed, are typically of great importance to citizens who may have alternative options for where to place their “savings”.
WHO bans words and phrases in this world?
06-29-2024 , 04:18 PM
Jbouton, why don't you use this platform you have right here? What exactly do you want?

Have you tried starting a thread about your claims in NVG?
06-29-2024 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Jbouton, why don't you use this platform you have right here? What exactly do you want?

Have you tried starting a thread about your claims in NVG?
I was told I'm perma-banned the instant I do. This is the problem. The old guard won't let me address the players in the proper context.

No one will let me NEAR the cheat expose threads.
06-29-2024 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
It was banned on every major poker site including phil galfonds rio. And no one would give me a voice.

So the players couldn't have a proper representation.

Joey have you ever made friends with a bad player and watched your friends exploit that certain person I'm thinking about? Because making videos about it saying its bad, but then being WHOLLY connected to it, isn't balanced morality. Right?
That is a good question - poker world is often like that and especially for someone like me that knows so many people. "bad and "good" coming together,, lots of "friends" trying to exploit people in whatever way for their own profit. People have been doing that to me for years living in Vegas. What am I connected to? Have you been listening to my content about this for years.

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Originally Posted by jbouton
I want to ask you joey. dnegs put out a book called 'small ball poker'

Now you see, I have argued for many years, which 2p2 has banned for calling crazy and irrational, that BAD players are selling BAD POKER to the community.

You joey argue thats not true. Is daniels books GOOD poker, or BAD POKER?

Remember, keep in mind, dnges was the head marketing player pro rep for pokerstars that LEAD the campaign ON YOUR PODCAST that MORE rake is better than LESS rake.

I don't have the podcast but it DEFO happened:

And you think that was a successful campaign or what are you implying? I had one of the best shows at the time, everyone wants to get on the show to talk about what they are up to. Just like you are trying to do now to me!
06-29-2024 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Jbouton, why don't you use this platform you have right here? What exactly do you want?

Have you tried starting a thread about your claims in NVG?
This is a great idea. Button, you are sitting on a holy grail of information there. THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO KNOW. THE POKER PLAYERS ARE BEING SWINDLED. You are our last hope, the bastion of honesty, integrity, and morality that we so richly need and deserve.
06-29-2024 , 04:24 PM
Who banned Nash's work and said we can't discuss Ideal Poker or Ideal Money...

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Originally Posted by Ideal Poker by Soaker Patoshi
So here is the possibility of “asymptotically ideal (rakeless) poker". Starting with the idea of value stabilization in relation to a domestic ‘deposits raked’ index associated with the territory of one state, beyond that there is the natural and logical concept of internationally based rake comparisons. The sites being compared, like PSFTCIAFBIDOJ, Merge, Party Poker, etc. can be viewed with critical eyes by their players and by those who may have the option of whether or not or how to use one of them. This can lead to pressure for good quality and consequently for a lessened rate of rake.
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Originally Posted by Ideal Money by John Nash
So here is the possibility of “asymptotically ideal money”. Starting with the idea of value stabilization in relation to a domestic price index associated with the territory of one state, beyond that there is the natural and logical concept of internationally based value comparisons. The currencies being compared, like now the euro, the dollar, the yen, the pound, the swiss franc, the swedish kronor, etc. can be viewed with critical eyes by their users and by those who may have the option of whether or not or how to use one of them. This can lead to pressure for good quality and consequently for a lessened rate of inflationary depreciation in value.
06-29-2024 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey

And you think that was a successful campaign or what are you implying? I had one of the best shows at the time, everyone wants to get on the show to talk about what they are up to. Just like you are trying to do now to me!
I don't want on your show I'm a nobody. I'm contrasting you with me.

You have the voice. It doesn't speak for the morality of the game.

I was de-platformed. You know this. You knew it at the time. You ridiculer me for it, while you commentated on the game burning.
06-29-2024 , 04:28 PM
Joey you and Phil Galfond should use your influence to convince 2p2 moderation to let me participate in the cheat expose threads.

Its weird that you don't.
06-29-2024 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
Who banned Nash's work and said we can't discuss Ideal Poker or Ideal Money...
I DON'T KNOW!

Why do you keep asking us questions? Just give us the answers!
06-29-2024 , 04:29 PM
SURELY Phil Galfond isn't a part of this right?



You see the RIO admin already knew about me. So no ideas about less rake were allowed on RIO either.

How is that good poker?

      
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