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Old 08-13-2009, 09:03 PM   #1926
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Re: Why I don't tell people I play poker.

So many reasons, why you don't wanna talk about poker with your non-poker-friends
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Old 08-13-2009, 11:52 PM   #1927
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On my last visit to Vegas i was sitting in a low buyin NL game. I was chatting a little with the guy next to me to pass the time. As i leave i mention to him how slow live poker seems when you compare it to playing 6 tables online. I also mention something along the lines of it (online poker) also not being so frustrating to play if you're down because you're seeing so many hands. He then replies that he knows what I mean, because he always wins when he plays multiple hands of blackjack.
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Old 08-14-2009, 12:18 AM   #1928
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so i'm not at work one day and one co-worker finds out that my brother is a professional somehow (during the world series). conversation next day:

him: so your brother is pretty big time huh - do you play as well? - also invites me to a homegame with a bunch of "donkeys" (his favorite word)

me: yeah, mostly online

him: I just don't trust online - I just envision 3 or 4 people sitting together and colluding - do you trust it?

me: yeah, well I play headsup

him: yeah, but aren't you worried about collluding?

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Old 08-14-2009, 12:23 AM   #1929
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LOL, awesome.
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Old 08-14-2009, 12:29 AM   #1930
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I mentioned to my dad one day that I played online poker. He goes on to tell me how his friend's mom lost like 10k and it's rigged. I didn't say anything because I felt bad telling him that she must of been a total donkey
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Old 08-14-2009, 01:04 AM   #1931
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Most of my friends know about my online poker adventures and they're generally cool about it but I never tell any girls about it unless it comes up in conversation somewhere along the line cos girls ask the dumbest questions ldo...
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Old 08-14-2009, 01:06 AM   #1932
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i actually dont have any problems like you guys have hahah. lucky me
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:58 AM   #1933
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Actually, there was a thread on 2+2 somewhere that discussed how to win at Deal or No Deal. It had something to do with how you respond to offers from the banker.

I just glanced at it and don't remember much about it, but I imagine it was something like weighing the banker's offer against the EV of picking one of the remaining suitcases.
I remember watching this show and wondering if the offer sizes were correlated with race or gender. I actually collected some data by watching a few episodes (not statistically significant at all of course).

But yea women and minorities don't seem to get very good offers
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:08 AM   #1934
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"Poker is not a sport, it's a hobby because it doesn't require any physical activity....other than counting."

"Poker requires no skill"

"All you do is read people. I can watch you when we play poker a couple times, then I know your tendencies and your behavioral patterns, so I know what you have."

"Besides, any one can play in the world series, all you have to do is win a qualifier, right?"
I don't think it's a sport either. And the best reply to his 2nd/3rd points is "let's play!". He's also kind of right on the 3rd :]
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Old 08-14-2009, 02:07 PM   #1935
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Actually, there was a thread on 2+2 somewhere that discussed how to win at Deal or No Deal. It had something to do with how you respond to offers from the banker.

I just glanced at it and don't remember much about it, but I imagine it was something like weighing the banker's offer against the EV of picking one of the remaining suitcases.
As someone has already pointed out, its always +EV to decline the banks offer. But as same person also pointed out, when it comes to risking 100k to winning 1 mil or something, not everyone has enough money to gamble such sums, and sell out instead. (And also because they dont realize its -EV i guess.) Edit: What amazes me though is that there is actually a Deal or no Deal video game, how this can exist, and not be boring as **** (without giving you real money if you win.

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Old 08-14-2009, 03:08 PM   #1936
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1st post great thread
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:20 PM   #1937
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As someone has already pointed out, its always +EV to decline the banks offer.
I've seen +EV bank offers.
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:27 PM   #1938
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I've seen +EV bank offers.
Wow astroglide, seeing your sn takes me back down 2p2 memory lane. Sigh, remember the good ol' days when there were like 1000 members and actual strat posts?
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:36 PM   #1939
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What amazes me though is that there is actually a Deal or no Deal video game, how this can exist, and not be boring as **** (without giving you real money if you win.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-sK4Lz60aU

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Old 08-14-2009, 04:55 PM   #1940
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so i'm not at work one day and one co-worker finds out that my brother is a professional somehow (during the world series). conversation next day:

him: so your brother is pretty big time huh - do you play as well? - also invites me to a homegame with a bunch of "donkeys" (his favorite word)

me: yeah, mostly online

him: I just don't trust online - I just envision 3 or 4 people sitting together and colluding - do you trust it?

me: yeah, well I play headsup

him: yeah, but aren't you worried about collluding?

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F**K
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:26 PM   #1941
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This was probably posted somewhere in this thread, but worth a bump anyway:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090225062747756

You have to sign up an account an enable 18+ material to view it, but it only takes like 2 sec and is definitely worth it!
I tried to eat while watching this and couldnt.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:01 PM   #1942
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Beat me to it, although you should start with part 1 Way too much unnecessary swearing in all Angry Video Game xxxx type videos, including this imitator of the original, but I think it's a fairly accurate demonstration of the game's entertainment value.

I don't think the Kelly criterion applies to this game at all... Kelly's formula applies to a bet and has to do with optimizing the size of the bet for a specific bankroll for an outcome that will either lose the bet or win at X odds. There is no bankroll in DoND and only speculative money is risked during the course of the show, so the player is freerolling.

When a player turns down an offer he is required to open a set number of cases which represents anywhere from a fifth to half of the current remaining cases. What he is doing each time he rejects an offer is playing a random game revealing more information about cases which aren't his. A formula could be made for it, but the basic idea is that every case he opens, he is randomly altering his odds. The higher the player runs above standard expectation in terms of his luck opening cases (reveals low values instead of high values), the higher the chance that opening the next case could greatly alter his EV for the game as determined by (sum of all case values remaining / cases, including his, remaining).

As has been said, the point of the game is that for every player, there comes a point where it is +lifeEV to take an offer where the value of the potential negative variance of opening more cases represents such a significant amount that it is desirable to settle for a percentage of the Mean of the remaining values than eliminate points from the set. That is what makes it interesting, because the offers are always based on the Mean of the remaining money, but a situation will inevitably arise where none of the data points are anywhere near the mean.

To help people understand the EV of it... if a $1, $5, $10, $50k, and a $100k case remain (one of them is yours)... your EV over infinite trials is the mean of these values, $30k, and the offer will likely be around 70-90% of the mean. Now, if you have to open one more case it puts the system into one of 5 possible states. the average new EV of all these possible outcomes is still around $30k, but the actuality of the situation is that the new EV will be ~$37k 60% of the time (if any of the 3 small values are removed), $25k 20% of the time, and $12.5k 20% of the time. So, oddly, opening a case here is an almost 0EV situation (even with an offer of 100% of the mean), but because the cases contain discrete values the EV is necessarily changing by at least $5k in some direction or another once one is eliminated.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:19 PM   #1943
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While it's true that some people in this thread may be overly hostile towards people asking about their hobby/job, in many of the listed cases, I would say that it's not unwarranted. There's a world of difference between expressing interest and telling one how to indulge in his hobby or work his job. For whatever reason, almost everyone thinks they understand poker well, when in reality very few do. Listening to a cocky homegame hero, whose poker experience consists of only beating his friends in $5 SnGs, preach to you about the proper play for crappy broadway hands is just an aggravating experience. And even people who don't know jack about poker feel that they're qualified to lecture us on the inevitability of our bustoness: "You better stop before you lose it all." I don't go up to my friends and start lecturing them using my lack of knowledge on their field of specialty, nor do I make uneducated statements about the pitfalls of their career choice. Or what about the famous "How much did you lose?" I understand that it stems from people's experience with degenerates who can't grasp the idea of net amounts, but it doesn't change the fact that the question is rather stupid. I have no problem answering the questions of someone who has some sincere interest in the game or maybe just learning about why people enjoy it, but many of the situations people are talking about wouldn't fall under this category.

That being said, I don't think all of the negative comments towards this thread are unwarranted either. I have no idea why people are bragging about their 4-figure rolls, or how ballin' they are doing $50 flips. Many of these stories would be just fine without numbers, yet some people feel the need to insert an unnecessary snippet about their $5k roll. I'd say the worst is the people who post about the "****ty jobs" their friends work. WTF, seriously. A lot of this thread revolves around others looking down upon our hobby/job, and people in here decide that it's their place to look down upon the jobs of others? And specifically the jobs of their friends, no less. Excluding a select few people, most of us are not god's gift to poker (hell, most are not even winning players) and we should be thankful that we lucked into such a lucrative hobby.

Just my $0.02.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:38 PM   #1944
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I remember watching this show and wondering if the offer sizes were correlated with race or gender. I actually collected some data by watching a few episodes (not statistically significant at all of course).

But yea women and minorities don't seem to get very good offers
Well they know the job& situation of the contender. So they make the cheapest offers to the people who need it the most.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:56 PM   #1945
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I've seen +EV bank offers.
This is true, btw. After investigating a few episodes, the theme is clear that the deals get progressively better as the cases go down and large sums are still in play. I think the offer is also indeed tailored to the individual contestant, but I think it's primarily based on their personality and aggressiveness. There are occasional joke offers on some versions of the show that are consistent with this approach; the point of the show is, after all, entertainment of viewers.

Easy example of +ev offer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spGDr...eature=related

Some guy's blog that explains this arguably better than I did with my long-winded paragraph: http://www.pearsonified.com/2006/03/..._real_deal.php

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Old 08-15-2009, 01:24 AM   #1946
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I told people at my office that I play poker. (...) whether I appeared tired or not, asking me if I "gambled" the night before, (...) Most of the time I was tired because I was (...) masturbating, (...)
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One girl asked me what I would do with her if I were playing. She was hot and flirty. I told her that I would figure out her tendencies and start manipulating bet sizes to get all her money. I still don't completely regret my answer.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:05 PM   #1947
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One girl asked me what I would do with her if I were playing. She was hot and flirty. I told her that I would figure out her tendencies and start manipulating bet sizes to get all her money. I still don't completely regret my answer.
I would keep going all in. How do you not say that.
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Old 08-15-2009, 08:30 PM   #1948
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One girl asked me what I would do with her if I were playing. She was hot and flirty. I told her that I would figure out her tendencies and start manipulating bet sizes to get all her money. I still don't completely regret my answer.
What about the tactic of trying to trap her with some backdoor action?
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Old 08-17-2009, 02:59 AM   #1949
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As someone has already pointed out, its always +EV to decline the banks offer. But as same person also pointed out, when it comes to risking 100k to winning 1 mil or something, not everyone has enough money to gamble such sums, and sell out instead. (And also because they dont realize its -EV i guess.) Edit: What amazes me though is that there is actually a Deal or no Deal video game, how this can exist, and not be boring as **** (without giving you real money if you win.
Collin Moshman makes a very similar point in Sit n' Go Strategy, page 216:

But in a multi-table tournament, if the prize jumps are significant relative to your bankroll, risk aversion may allow for some "coasting". If moving up one or two rungs on the ladder ensures your ability to make profitable future investments, you might reasonably decline a marginally positive equity play.

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Old 08-17-2009, 04:45 AM   #1950
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I've seen +EV bank offers.
On deal or no deal? whut. Guess I was wrong then.
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