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Old 08-07-2010, 01:17 PM   #2626
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When I went to Vegas for a week, my mom asked me for an update after 2 hours of play. I told her "I'm up $400" (was playing 1000NL). She said "Great, you should just quit while you're ahead and enjoy the money before you lose it all".
Sound advice in vegas imo
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:23 PM   #2627
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Sounds nice, but "what to you do?" or "where do you work" are such common questions that it's pretty hard to avoid. And even with a successful part-time player, such as a college student, people are going to figure out that he's not living the lifestyle of a burger-flipper.
Agreed - this dumb thread should be replaced by "When and How to tell Them"
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:24 PM   #2628
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How much did you lose?
As much as you.
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Old 08-07-2010, 02:19 PM   #2629
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I shouldn't have to pay taxes if I play poker. (Your parents and siblings should have to pay taxes on their income, but not you? What makes you so special?
To be fair, their parents and siblings don't pay close to 50% for the same amount. Social security is like 30%, isn't it? And then income taxes are what, 25% of the remainder? Being "self-employed" carries ridiculous taxes.
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:51 PM   #2630
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Re: Why I don't tell people I play poker.

In my case, Poker has been succesful when I play part time and am focused. I have very little attention span and can rarely play 8 hours straight. My best times came in from whenever I was travelling (zero losing sessions, clear mind) and worst when I was "grinding out" ABC textbook Poker for long shifts.

Basically I am the kind of person that freerolls life until I am "hungry" and need to hit the tables. So I am basically playing as a "hobby/investment" part-time. Really hard to say what I do for a living.
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Old 08-08-2010, 12:12 AM   #2631
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Oh yeah, I should had taken 10 minutes or so to read the whole 2600+ posts before I posted anything.
You can read 30 consecutive posts on any page and get the gist of it
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:34 AM   #2632
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Re: Why I don't tell people I play poker.

my dad who watches me multitable once in a while who has clashed with me before plenty of times, asks 'why you looking at pocket fives, I know you'd never hold on to 5s, i've seen you play'.

i was like just frozen there with the Ivey mouth agape stare.
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:41 PM   #2633
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Re: Why I don't tell people I play poker.

while sitting around the lunch table at work yesterday, surrounded by five people or so, it was brought up that i play poker.

one of my coworkers, with whom i get along great, couldn't seem to comprehend that poker is fundamentally an intellectual, skill-based game. i kept trying to explain that poker, while played with money, is, at its core, about skill, strategy, math, psychology, and making decisions based on information and expecting those decisions, if they're correct, leading to a return over the long run, much like investing. money, i said, is just how we keep score. i only got "WAT?"

this argument was then met with a counter argument that we poker players essentially justify our degen behavior by labeling poker with those terms i mentioned above, because we're "embarrassed to be considered gamblers."

/sigh.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:22 PM   #2634
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Re: Why I don't tell people I play poker.

I made that mistake of mentioning online poker to my family and got the speech from my grandmother on how gambling is "just like flushing money down the toilet". I stopped trying to explain that it's a game of skill after about 10 min and regretted bringing it up.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:40 PM   #2635
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while sitting around the lunch table at work yesterday, surrounded by five people or so, it was brought up that i play poker.

one of my coworkers, with whom i get along great, couldn't seem to comprehend that poker is fundamentally an intellectual, skill-based game. i kept trying to explain that poker, while played with money, is, at its core, about skill, strategy, math, psychology, and making decisions based on information and expecting those decisions, if they're correct, leading to a return over the long run, much like investing. money, i said, is just how we keep score. i only got "WAT?"

this argument was then met with a counter argument that we poker players essentially justify our degen behavior by labeling poker with those terms i mentioned above, because we're "embarrassed to be considered gamblers."

/sigh.




Edit: Your avatar rocks. Moment the bear realizes there is a lion standing in front of it...... priceless
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Old 09-01-2010, 09:07 PM   #2636
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Re: Why I don't tell people I play poker.

The stuff I always get at school is:

how is there skill involved? surely its just whoever had the best hand wins?

where do you play?!
online
but then they can't see your face, so how is there any skill involved?
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:53 PM   #2637
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The stuff I always get at school is:

how is there skill involved? surely its just whoever had the best hand wins?

where do you play?!
online
but then they can't see your face, so how is there any skill involved?
The first questions are pretty reasonable questions , if you ask me
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:50 AM   #2638
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Re: Why I don't tell people I play poker.

Whenever I say I play poker, people who don`t play look at me in a way `you are a moron and you will lose your house and everything`
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Old 09-02-2010, 08:24 AM   #2639
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When i'm sat at the computer shouting ' NO F***ING ACE' with my kings, then ' FFS' when the ace hits, my flatmates girlfriend starts saying 'maybe you should stop playing if you keep losing'. Me: 'It's ok I'm just getting unlucky today, i'll win it back sooner or later'. His gf ' maybe your just not good at poker'. THis makes me want to kick the **** out of her! People don't understand the ins and outs of playing poker. Losing my KK doesn't tilt me but having her commenting does. I lost with the nut straight on the bubble of a big tournament the other night when it was all in on the flop and he hit runner runner flush. I said something like ' you lucky F**K, I was 93% favourite'. Then she made a comment something like 'Just stop playing if your losing again'. I felt like smashing her face in, how can she not understand that being 93% favourite is a good thing?
because you are a moran and yell at your damn computer. It annoys her and try to blame her for that. She just want you to stfu and tells you any thing so you'd just quit screaming at your pc.

Don't you think it's ironic that you get mad at her for not 'understanding' that being 93% is a good thing, yet you scream about that same thing to the computer? why would you scream if it was a good thing.


i know you probably never read this because you posted this months ago and you're probably bust by now, but still. All the egocentric, condescending responses itt wich are totally out of line, even in context of this thread, aggravate me a little bit.
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Old 09-02-2010, 12:56 PM   #2640
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In my case, Poker has been succesful when I play part time and am focused. I have very little attention span and can rarely play 8 hours straight. My best times came in from whenever I was travelling (zero losing sessions, clear mind) and worst when I was "grinding out" ABC textbook Poker for long shifts.

Basically I am the kind of person that freerolls life until I am "hungry" and need to hit the tables. So I am basically playing as a "hobby/investment" part-time. Really hard to say what I do for a living.
Most of the pros don't play 8 hours straight, in fact, some pros spend as much as half of their time doing things like posting on 2+2, reading poker books, or going over their hand histories to review their play.
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:33 AM   #2641
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Re: Why I don't tell people I play poker.

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me: dad, I want to play poker for a living
dad: how are you going to do that you don't even have facebook
LMFAO

Ye i argued with somene some days ago, i forgot i shouldnt do this but i thought everything is going great so why not...

Anyways it ended up...

We saw a tournament on tv once and this full time pro went out to a new guy in the first HAND. And you say its a skill game ?

Im like ****...
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Old 09-11-2010, 03:16 PM   #2642
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LMFAO

Ye i argued with somene some days ago, i forgot i shouldnt do this but i thought everything is going great so why not...

Anyways it ended up...

We saw a tournament on tv once and this full time pro went out to a new guy in the first HAND. And you say its a skill game ?

Im like ****...
One tournament, and especially one hand, mean absolutely nothing.

Poker is a long-term game for the serious player. AA is going to lose to 32o 13% of the time. Does this mean that the guy with 32 got lucky? Of course. But it also means that the guy playing AA in that situation is going to win 87% of the time.

I won't go into that math about what constitutes long-term in poker, but the point is that, OVER TIME, your aces are going to win at showdown against crap hands like 32o almost 9 times of out 10.

I have read a lot of posts where people post their results, and if they have less than 10K hands posted, much of the time they are told to come back when they have enough hands for the results to mean something. In mathspeak, they have to have a larger sample size for the results to be mathematically significant).

Here's another perspective: I have seen posts where a player claims to have never had a losing month. I have never seen anyone claim to never have a losing week.
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Old 09-11-2010, 03:20 PM   #2643
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I never had a losing day
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Old 09-11-2010, 03:24 PM   #2644
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One tournament, and especially one hand, mean absolutely nothing.

Poker is a long-term game for the serious player. AA is going to lose to 32o 13% of the time. Does this mean that the guy with 32 got lucky? Of course. But it also means that the guy playing AA in that situation is going to win 87% of the time.

I won't go into that math about what constitutes long-term in poker, but the point is that, OVER TIME, your aces are going to win at showdown against crap hands like 32o almost 9 times of out 10.

I have read a lot of posts where people post their results, and if they have less than 10K hands posted, much of the time they are told to come back when they have enough hands for the results to mean something. In mathspeak, they have to have a larger sample size for the results to be mathematically significant).

Here's another perspective: I have seen posts where a player claims to have never had a losing month. I have never seen anyone claim to never have a losing week.
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Old 09-11-2010, 07:14 PM   #2645
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I never had a losing day
Oh, yeah? I have never lost a hand.
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:17 PM   #2646
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level?
Which part do you think is a level?
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:22 PM   #2647
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I never had a losing day
Wow, you must be really crushing the PokerStars 10˘ 360-man turbos!
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:47 PM   #2648
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Oh, yeah? I have never lost a hand.
I bet you never even cash out.

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Old 09-12-2010, 11:50 PM   #2649
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Which part do you think is a level?
Perhaps it was the part (whole post, actually) where you misinterpreted what the person you quoted was saying and then went to great lengths to explain something which everyone here (including the person you quoted) already knows.
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Old 09-13-2010, 12:18 AM   #2650
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This is such a great thread. I thought I'd add a few of my own. Some of these might have been mentioned in some manner already, so sorry for repeats...

1. A couple years ago I'm on a date with a girl who was in law school. Assuming I'm dealing with a reasonably intelligent human being, I go into how poker is played and how you rely on math, psychology, pattern recognition etc. The discussion goes for about 5-10 minutes and then she says, "So, you basically play online blackjack for a living? You know the casino always wins at that, right? You're just going to end up broke. Plus it's illegal..."

Not surprisingly, there was no next date.

2. At a bar with some friends and friends of those friends. I'm talking to some girl about poker and she had actually played before so sort of knew what I was talking about. Giving her the usual spiel and how I play for a career. We go on for another couple of minutes when she stops and says:

"Well, you don't play for real money though, right?"
Me: .....

Yeah, I pay all my bills with the play chips on PokerStars and FullTilt (I wish).

3. Buddy's co-worker is at my place hanging out. First time I've met this clown. My buddy brings up that I play poker for a living so this guy starts acting all shocked and looks at me with a completely serious look on his face:

Him: "How have you not been arrested yet? That sh*t is illegal, bro."
Me: "(thinking to myself) I want to shoot you in the face right now."

I'm not sure what tilted me more. Him asking how I haven't been arrested or him calling me bro.

Although, as annoying as it is to talk about poker IRL, poker was the primary reason I was able to get my current position at a trading firm. Now whenever people at work ask me about it it's cool because they actually understand that poker is beatable and they all think it's awesome.

However, the downside is when people IRL who know that poker was my primary source of income find out that I'm a trader now, I occasionally get the smarmy, "so...that whole gambling thing didn't work out for you did it??"

ugh.
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