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Old 01-08-2009, 02:32 PM   #1
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Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole cards?

I started playing poker because I thought it was a democratic game - where everyone and anyone can win, however, there are a number of issues making me think otherwise.

If you notice people like Phil Hellmuth, Daniel Negreanu, Phil Ivey you will discover they are linked and sponsored by poker websites and a number of poker magazines. Just like Roger Federer in tennis has a lengthy list of sponsors and endorsements.. it is always in pokers best interest to see Negreanu win every single tournament he enters (like Federer in tennis). There are tricks to use to manipulate decks to favor certain players. It is actually quite easy to fool people by purposely shuffling decks in real life. Online it becomes even easier... if people can manage to hack World of Warcraft then WHY CAN'T THEY HACK POKERSTARS??

Last year there was a 75 million dollar lawsuit against UltimateBet due to cheating. Phill Hellmuth is endorsed by them yet in the high stakes tournaments people had software in order to see other peoples' hole cards. Is this how Phil wins tournaments? what a **** joke...

Every single player who has won a WSOP, WPT is nothing but a damn cheat. Yep calculate all those pot odds, mathematical odds all you want because frankly the most money is made when the odds are against you. Professionals know this so they brilliant come up with a scheme to hack into the dealer or hire a programmer (using linux?) to hack into online software then they will made a mathematically incorrect decision and BAM they defy the odds.

How many times do you see bad beats on pokerstars??? thats WHY THEY DON'T HAVE A BAD BEAT JACKPOT BECAUSE IT WOULD SEND THE COMPANY BROKE DUE TO ALL THE IDIOT CHEATERS ON THERE LIKE MONEYMAKER.

The poker world is controlled by a mafia monopoly and will not allow certain players to lose in the big tournaments when it counts.

Today I have lost all respect for every so called 'pro player' playing today. Negreanu, Hellmuth, Brunson were nothing but guys who could play good poker but cheated and got away with it.

Here is a list of beats put on me today in the end of the tournament. Note - the end of the tournament is where the cheating occurs not at the start of the tournament.

Hand1) I had KK v's QQ... Q comes on river
Hand2) KJ v's 96s = 9 comes on river
Hand3) I called with A9o against a raise of 4x BB against a player from UTG
flop comes 6d Ac 7s
he bets half his chip stack.. I raised him all in

he shows A5 against my A9
so I'm beating him with my 9 kicker

turn comes 7d
river comes.....
....
.....
YOU GUESSED IT - 5d! giving him a 2 pair.

What the fk is this rigged crap? PokerStars want their donkeys to win not the skillful players. 3 bad beats in a row when mathematically I was a clear winner in EACH HAND before the **** river.

By the way cheating happens in horse racing too... I lose count on how many times jockeys get paid to throw the race. If I ever lose a bad beat in a high stakes tournament I'll personally ensure I get even with the guy afterwards.

Anyone who tries to cheat against me... just realise there is a little thing called firearms in this world. Also I encourage people to boycott from this mafia BS and do not buy any poker books. You are just giving your hard earnt cash to a cheater like Brunson.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:34 PM   #2
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

first?

edit: 5 stars?
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:37 PM   #3
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

Well I can see why you lose calling a raise with A9 offsuit.............
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:38 PM   #4
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

what the hell are you talking about?
if you don't have anything constructive to post then don't post at all!
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:39 PM   #5
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

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Professionals know this so they brilliant come up with a scheme to hack into the dealer or hire a programmer(using linux?)
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:39 PM   #6
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:39 PM   #7
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BBall you have no clue about poker.
This was a TOURNAMENT NOT A CASH GAME.

I had enough chips to cover his raise.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:40 PM   #8
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Hand 3 the river five doesnt help him with two sevens on the board, your nine kicker plays u ship it. y would u complain about wining a hand u IDIOT!
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:43 PM   #9
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

This has got to be one of the most entertaining rogged OPs I've seen in a while: the thought process is just flawless.

I particularly like the bit where he holds A9 and loses to A5 on a A7765 board.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:43 PM   #10
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lol. busted.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:44 PM   #11
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

I got that wrong
Hand 3) 6d Ac 4s 7d 5d

He pulled the 5 on the river... does someone mind telling me what the chances of a 5 coming on the river? after you have seen the flop?
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:44 PM   #12
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

Am I being levelled?
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:44 PM   #13
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

seeing hole cards has nothing at all to do with, and makes no sense at all regarding the hands you posted.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:47 PM   #14
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

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does someone mind telling me what the chances of a 5 coming on the river? after you have seen the flop?
50/50. It either comes or it doesn't.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:48 PM   #15
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

seeing hole cards usually happens when you are up against a pro
in this case there was linux hacking into the card shuffler

I'll get my gun... then we can see who laughs after the poker table???
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:49 PM   #16
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

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Old 01-08-2009, 02:50 PM   #17
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50/50. It either comes or it doesn't.

Had to be done.
50/50 chance of a 5 coming after the flop?

Did you fail maths?

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Old 01-08-2009, 02:51 PM   #18
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

Your spelling makes baby Jesus cry.


Change title to...

Why do people play on pokerstars when pro's and affiliate's can see peoples whole cards?

...for better responses.



LOL at getting the last hand wrong. That's awesome.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:51 PM   #19
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nice to see someone who sees the truth on here and has brains unlike these other posters

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Old 01-08-2009, 02:52 PM   #20
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

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50/50 chance of a 5 coming after the flop?

Did you fail maths?
No sir I definitely did not fail maths. A 5 is either going to hit or it isn't. How is that not 50/50?

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Old 01-08-2009, 02:53 PM   #21
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

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Your spelling makes baby Jesus cry.


Change title to...

Why do people play on pokerstars when pro's and affiliate's can see peoples whole cards?

...for better responses.



LOL at getting the last hand wrong. That's awesome.
I'm not American. English words are spelt differently in other countries but you wouldn't know that. Our date is also expressed day/month/year but you wouldn't know that either.

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Old 01-08-2009, 02:54 PM   #22
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:55 PM   #23
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No sir I definitely did not fail maths. A 5 is either going to hit or it isn't. How is that not 50/50?
you certainly have not exceeded basic elementary maths.
I'm not going to bother with a donk like you.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:56 PM   #24
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Re: Why do people play on pokerstars when pros and affiliates can see peoples hole ca

Yup Phil Ivey prob got numerous accs so he can bust ya all out in the 2 buck freezeout.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:58 PM   #25
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Yup Phil Ivey prob got numerous accs so he can bust ya all out in the 2 buck freezeout.
either that or he uses a bot to do it.
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