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12-11-2008 , 09:23 AM

tower$

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18 player pub league tournament.

blinds 100 / 200

UTG+1 raises to 500 with about 3.5, 4K behind.
Me next to act with JJ and just under 2K. I shove.
small blind flat calls my raise (with 5, 6K behind.)

UTG+1 folds

blind flips over 55 and makes runner runner straight.

flat calling a raise and a reraise with 55 is terrible play. yes or no?

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12-11-2008 , 09:32 AM

BrandonWalsh

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It's a great play granted he knows that he will hit a straight.

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12-11-2008 , 09:35 AM

bluffcalls

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Originally Posted by tower$

running with 5s into JJ is allways bad ... what you wanna here?

but flatting with UTG left to act behind him is terrible ... yes

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12-11-2008 , 09:43 AM

blinden84

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sounds like your short?

not great, but not absolutely terrible in my thinking, he was probably hoping for the other guy to also call and just check it down to try an eliminate you, but it depends on how deep this was in the tournament, what starting stacks where, if you were indeed short compared to avg, etc.

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12-11-2008 , 10:34 AM

GiantRhino

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On the face of it 55 cc to a re rs shove is just plain simple minded, then it does depend on what image you had been cultivating he may have thought you guys were la. But after all a call with any two if you have the stacks covered and you aren't knocked out is a pretty ballsy play and the usual reaction is 'how the @*&k could you call that?', but its always you walking away from the table busted and the big stack laughing as you go, cruel game poker, with sick gamblers who get really lucky.

Stack size wise he was only ever a 3/1 on your JJ with any 2
If you had AJ / AK / KQ it was only ever a coin.

So maybe in the dynamics of the game, not so bad after all.

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12-11-2008 , 10:43 AM

P0KER_B0TV7

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very smooth..dont worry about

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12-11-2008 , 12:35 PM

JD Roark

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He might give you less credit for a hand since you only have 10BB.

But in the end, you got your money in good and lost. It happens a lot. If it happens again tomorrow you want him to call right? So, why get angry.

The more constructive thought process would be to try and figure out how you could have avoided getting short stacked. How did you get down to 10BB? Did you miss opportunities earlier in the tournament?

Why spend time arguing with bad players about how they play bad?

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12-11-2008 , 01:13 PM

DavidNB

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,335

There's not enought information in the post to comment really.
1: How many players left?

2: YOur reraise to 2K wouldn't worry me , its what the UTG+1 acted like during the game? Is he tight, bluffs, been known to make good calls or bad

3: How fast are the blinds?

Even setting these questions aside you want to remember
A good poker doesn't get into a agruement whether his oppenent made a good play or bad. In fact, best case, you want your oppenent to think they made a good move when infact they made a bad one.

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12-11-2008 , 02:10 PM

Bumbaclat

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Originally Posted by JD Roark

He might give you less credit for a hand since you only have 10BB.

This was my first thought. The hand range for a push when below the 10BB mark is huge, many of the hands he is ahead of with his 5's. I'm not saying I would make the call (especially with the player behind) but it isn't terrible.

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12-11-2008 , 03:33 PM

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Jaconda78

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Even if it is terrible why would you argue, and then get support for your argument, with him? I mean, don't you want to be called by 5's when you have J's? Why would you try to get him to admit he's a donkey and change his play?

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12-11-2008 , 04:43 PM

#11

mi$ter ILL

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imo the worst play that happened here was entering a pub league tournament

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12-11-2008 , 04:56 PM

#12

DPP LDR

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Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,152

it looks like youre doomed here, you dont wanna play against people that get their money in as a 4-1 dog against you, but youre obv going to lose against people better than you, so you might just wanna stop posting these questions and take up playing super smash brothers competetively

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12-11-2008 , 05:28 PM

#13

Snozynoze

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,958

Please stop teaching the other players. Say nice hand and shut the hell up.
And this means no matter if you're right OR wrong.

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12-11-2008 , 09:02 PM

#14

pfapfap

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You're both wrong for thinking this is anywhere close to an appropriate conversation at the table.

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12-11-2008 , 09:11 PM

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PantsOnFire

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Originally Posted by Bumbaclat

The hand range for 10BBs is wide for open-raising, especially late position. But to come over the top of a UTG+1 raise and giving him 2000+500+300:1500 odds to call indicates a much narrower range.

55 should have folded. He called off a third of his stack with small pair in the face of a raise and re-raise. Horrible call. At the very least, he could shove here to freeze out UTG+1. At least that's better than flat-calling.

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12-11-2008 , 09:19 PM

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RussianBear

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There isn't enough information here to call. At face value you win 80% of the time. However, we have no idea how he views you. Maybe you just got coolered and he thinks you're on tilt. Maybe He feels, given the stack size, you would do this with a weak ace. Maybe he's been card dead and feels that this is the best hand he's seen in a while and he chooses to go with it. It seems to me that you're tilty cuz you got outdrawn. Welcome to poker. Sorry I can't back you up here. He obviously feels he's ahead of your range and he knows he is still in the tourney if he loses the hand.

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12-11-2008 , 11:17 PM

#17

2OutsNoProb

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It sucks. You win the argument.

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The more constructive thought process would be to try and figure out how you could have avoided getting short stacked. How did you get down to 10BB? Did you miss opportunities earlier in the tournament?

It's a live tournament in a bar.

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12-12-2008 , 05:46 AM

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GiantRhino

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Originally Posted by Snozynoze

Please stop teaching the other players. Say nice hand and shut the hell up.
And this means no matter if you're right OR wrong.

Sometimes I find it hard not to berate a players bad play but the best option is not to tap on the fish tank as if your play was solid, you want that guy to play that way again as the odds are in your favour.

Never help another players game at your table, he is the enemy.

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12-12-2008 , 06:51 AM

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H0neyM0nster

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The best thing to do is to throw chairs accross the room as you steam out of the place. Swear really loudly at the guy for not respecting your 2k all-in. Go to a strip club and blow even more money.

Or - you could take it like a man.

Play more tournaments, you'll realise that getting sucked out on happens to at least half the people playing in them.

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