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09-04-2022 , 11:04 AM
I was having a pretty good session at 1/3, ran 300 up to 700 or so and my table broke. I decided to play longer and won a few more small pots and was developing a good image at this new table and was looking at a pretty big W. Then this happened.

I had As9c in the BB. There was an open to 10. There were a few callers and I called as well.

Flop came down 9s 3s 2s.

I had TPTK and the NFD. I check, intending to check-raise. One of the field callers bet 15. I ask how much he has behind and he shows about 80. I raise to 45, wanting to string him along since I'm either ahead already or I have a ton of equity, committing his stack for any future bet. He calls.

Turn is 4d. I push him all-in and he calls. River is a blank, 7c. I announce my pair of 9s. He turns over A5o for a gut-shot straight draw that hit his 3-outer on the turn. I was 90% on the flop, in even better shape than I imagined. I guess that happens sometimes when I correctly try to entice someone who was well behind to call, still hate it though. That was about a 250 dollar pot that would have gotten me to a high water mark for the session.

After losing another few small/medium pots, mostly against a pair of Asian brothers who were seated directly behind me (fairly sketchily -- occasionally speaking Mandarin to each other when out of hands, checking down against each other with the nuts, etc.), I had another frustrating moment. One of the brothers button straddled, and several players limped.

I had AdKc in the HJ and raise to 30. The button jams all-in for 160 total. A few other players hem and haw before folding, with one declaring that he would have called if I wasn't left to act behind. I think I see the player across from me fold a K, which is both good (less likely button has KK) and bad (fewer outs for me if he has QQ), but I wasn't sure. I called, announced my hand, and he turned over AQcc. The board ran out 775 3r (looking good!) 5, so we ended up chopping in what was my best chance to recoup those losses. Ugh.

I left shortly thereafter with a modest win, but one that should have been much bigger.

I know this is pretty much standard "stuff that happens in poker", but I still hated it, and this is where I get to post about it.
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09-05-2022 , 02:19 PM
You should probably request that your opponents don't sit behind you. They'll be able to see your cards.
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09-05-2022 , 03:39 PM
Winning too many hands actually gives you a bad image - you are a winning player. Try losing a couple on purpose to switch it up.
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09-07-2022 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AceDeuceSuited
I was having a pretty good session at 1/3, ran 300 up to 700 or so and my table broke. I decided to play longer and won a few more small pots and was developing a good image at this new table and was looking at a pretty big W. Then this happened.

I had As9c in the BB. There was an open to 10. There were a few callers and I called as well.

Flop came down 9s 3s 2s.

I had TPTK and the NFD. I check, intending to check-raise. One of the field callers bet 15. I ask how much he has behind and he shows about 80. I raise to 45, wanting to string him along since I'm either ahead already or I have a ton of equity, committing his stack for any future bet. He calls.

Turn is 4d. I push him all-in and he calls. River is a blank, 7c. I announce my pair of 9s. He turns over A5o for a gut-shot straight draw that hit his 3-outer on the turn. I was 90% on the flop, in even better shape than I imagined. I guess that happens sometimes when I correctly try to entice someone who was well behind to call, still hate it though. That was about a 250 dollar pot that would have gotten me to a high water mark for the session.

After losing another few small/medium pots, mostly against a pair of Asian brothers who were seated directly behind me (fairly sketchily -- occasionally speaking Mandarin to each other when out of hands, checking down against each other with the nuts, etc.), I had another frustrating moment. One of the brothers button straddled, and several players limped.

I had AdKc in the HJ and raise to 30. The button jams all-in for 160 total. A few other players hem and haw before folding, with one declaring that he would have called if I wasn't left to act behind. I think I see the player across from me fold a K, which is both good (less likely button has KK) and bad (fewer outs for me if he has QQ), but I wasn't sure. I called, announced my hand, and he turned over AQcc. The board ran out 775 3r (looking good!) 5, so we ended up chopping in what was my best chance to recoup those losses. Ugh.

I left shortly thereafter with a modest win, but one that should have been much bigger.

I know this is pretty much standard "stuff that happens in poker", but I still hated it, and this is where I get to post about it.
In my last 2 sessions IÂ’ve had 3 hands where IÂ’ve got the villain all-in on the turn when villain had 1 out and lost on all of them (had between like 87 and 92% equity). Had no hands where I got it all in on the flop with +75% to win an lost both.

It is really hard to build up a bankroll to move up in stakes when you take 700bb beatings like this over 2 sessions.

This, combined with never winning a coin-flip all-in means my actual winnings in bb/100 is 300% below EV. IÂ’m pushing an EV Bb/100 of 18+ but only winning at 6 bb/100.

ItÂ’s just the game though. You have to remember that over the long run, playing better hands, you will profit.

Your first hand shows the problem of playing hands with low SPR. Like what are you supposed to do on the flop bet? I donÂ’t like calling here - I mean you have top pair and multiple outs to the nuts - I would want to build the pot. But you canÂ’t really raise his flop bet because then you are pot committed so might as well jam - but then you are up again an opponent with a wide range of hands including sets of 2s and sets of 3s, and 2 pair 4-3, and if you jam here you will likely only get called by hands that beat you. So you are forced to call and then get screwed on the turn..
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09-07-2022 , 12:11 PM
Not sure what anyone should say here .. The only thing I would say is that many a time I've been up in a session and that first suck-out occurs and then you just want to 'get it back' and it all goes down hill from there. It's not even that you're playing bad, it just turns for the worse.

It's double sided .. one, you know you are playing well (or at least getting it in good) but you're getting frustrated - so you should leave. And two, you know you are playing well, but you're getting frustrated and want to work on your mental game and get through it - so you decide to stay.

Poker is one very long session with lots of breaks in there .. sometimes your opponents get rewarded for making bad decisions, sometimes both Players make the right decision but only one will win the pot.

It sounds like you know the difference between frustration and tilt .. and that's a good thing. Judge your play by the play, not the results. GL
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09-07-2022 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by silky28
In my last 2 sessions IÂ’ve had 3 hands where IÂ’ve got the villain all-in on the turn when villain had 1 out and lost on all of them (had between like 87 and 92% equity). Had no hands where I got it all in on the flop with +75% to win an lost both.

This, combined with never winning a coin-flip all-in means my actual winnings in bb/100 is 300% below EV. IÂ’m pushing an EV Bb/100 of 18+ but only winning at 6 bb/100.

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Math is hard.
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09-07-2022 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Math is hard.
Good lord, it’s like poker just attracts douchebags. I’m not even sure what you are on about...is it because there is a typo which reads “no hands” when it should read “two hands”? Or are just just assuming that those 5 hands are the only hands I played in those sessions?

FYI- the first paragraph was talking about some beats I suffered in 2 specific sessions - the second paragraph is on my total EV at that stake...on how these kind of bad beats combined with never winning a flip has significantly skewed the relationship between EV and $ won.

I could have been clearer but I wasn’t expecting to have every word scrutinised. Get a life.

Last edited by silky28; 09-07-2022 at 11:23 PM.
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09-08-2022 , 03:36 AM
That was a rude comment, but these are your other mistakes he was trying to point out:

If villain had one out on the turn, you had about 98% equity.

If your EV was 18 and your win was 6, that's ~67% below EV. 300% below would be a loss of 36.
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09-08-2022 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by silky28
Good lord, it’s like poker just attracts douchebags. I’m not even sure what you are on about...
Because math is hard.
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09-08-2022 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
That was a rude comment, but these are your other mistakes he was trying to point out:

If villain had one out on the turn, you had about 98% equity.

If your EV was 18 and your win was 6, that's ~67% below EV. 300% below would be a loss of 36.
How do you know what he was trying to point out?

Anyhow, I was keeping things very general and in my original it said “like” 1 out. Also, I said that I lost the hands when in reality some ended in a chop. Eg had 2 pair A7 vs villain with A5 on a A974 turn runout. Got him all in and I was 93% to win 0% to lose. Not knowing the burnt cards he had 3 outs (any 9) and hit one on the river to chop the pot.

As for the bb/100 I simply meant that my actual winning need to increase by 300% to match my EV..

But again, I am just speaking generally about the vicissitudes of poker...I didnÂ’t think it mattered if I was exact in my examples...
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09-08-2022 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by silky28
How do you know what he was trying to point out?
Because he put the parts that implied incorrect math in bold.
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09-08-2022 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Because he put the parts that implied incorrect math in bold.
Comprehension is hard.
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