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Old 07-28-2006, 05:14 PM   #151
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Re: Veganmav eats his food out of the trash: discuss

u rly are a cheap bastard. when i read the thread about u sneaking into 1st class airplanes i thought u were poor but i now know u play 100/200 and eat trash. no wonder u were exiled from OOT
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:16 PM   #152
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Is dumpster diving illegal?
i think it changes depending where you are at, but i think in most places it is
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:20 PM   #153
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Man, I see where this argument is going and it sucks. If veganmav wants to battle oppressive corporations and help the environment by leaving a smaller eco-footprint, then so be it. I commend that attitude, but even further, I commend him actually DOING it. People are mostly idealists at heart, but few of us actually make an attempt to live out those ideals. Saying veganmav is a jerk or whatever because he isn't giving away all his poker profit to the starving kids or whomever is ludicrous. I would even venture to say he has bigger plans down the road on what to do with his profits because he seems like that kind of guy. GL vegan.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:20 PM   #154
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This thread just blew my mind. Vegan, I think it's very respectable that you have such strong beliefs and continue to act on them, even when you could easily sell out. Cuple questions:

1. DO you get sick often from the food you eat out of dumpsters?

VERY VERY rarely if ever. I currently attribute zero times to being sick from food from dumpster. Most of it is stuff that is thrown out before its expired, or it is dented, or the label fell off or something. If it is going bad, or close to going bad, i dont take a chance.

2. Why did you choose to be Vegan after surviving a childhood where every scrap of food, no matter whether it was meat, cheese, etc. was eaten? Do you think it's at all hypocritical to be so picky now with your food?

yes it is picky, that is why I am now freegan not vegan.
orignaly the vegan thing was more because I didn't want to support the monstrous aggrobusiness that is so inefficenet and wasteful, and if you are buying your food, it is much more efficent to live on a plant based diet.

3. Why don't you use some of your poker money to help people back home, and then spend a little on yourself, instead of saving it all up and not doing anything with it for fear of feeling guilty?
again read above.

I give as much as I can away, while leaving enough to move up in stakes.

I was playing 5 cent 10 cent 2 years ago
1 year ago I was playing 5/10
I am now just hitting 100/200 fixed limit.

It would have been impossible to move up if I had given much more away then I did up until this point.

FWIW I have definately given away a lot. definately over 10k.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:23 PM   #155
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Holy [censored], that freegan site is absolutely crazy.

Header: "Working Less / Voluntary Joblessness

...as workers, we are cogs in a machine of violence, death, exploitation, and destruction."

A note on squatters: "Squatters believe that real human needs are more important than abstract notions of private property, and that those who hold deed to buildings but won’t allow people to live in them, even in places where housing is vitally needed, don’t deserve to own those buildings."

Some freegans in action:

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Old 07-28-2006, 05:26 PM   #156
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Man, I see where this argument is going and it sucks. If veganmav wants to battle oppressive corporations and help the environment by leaving a smaller eco-footprint, then so be it. I commend that attitude, but even further, I commend him actually DOING it. People are mostly idealists at heart, but few of us actually make an attempt to live out those ideals. Saying veganmav is a jerk or whatever because he isn't giving away all his poker profit to the starving kids or whomever is ludicrous. I would even venture to say he has bigger plans down the road on what to do with his profits because he seems like that kind of guy. GL vegan.
thanks a lot, and yes, i have huge plans.

Right now in the state of oaxaca mexico, there are several indigenous tribes living there (of whom 1 tribe I am 1/4 blood) who are self sufficient communities. Many of these tribes dont speak spanish, and live on their own, and are on the brink of dying out for several reasons. Many of them have had their agriculture be destroyed for some reason or another, but some of them specificaly need to get water to crops, better irrigation. Some others need to pay to keep owning the land that is naturaly theres, but the Mexican governement wants to take it away.

Many groups give food to the hungry.

I want to help these tribes keep being self sustaining, some of them just need enough money to buy the land, or fix their irrigation, and they can go on living in peace on their own. Some tribes have already died out.

If I can give one time contributions, of 10k, 20k, 50k, 100k etc, it can allow them to keep living on their own.

THe old give a man a fish he eats for a day thing.

This seems like the best way to help the most people.
Currently many of these people are starving.

That is my plan.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:27 PM   #157
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actually all christians are tools, that just came in from the lab this morning.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:34 PM   #158
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no wonder u were exiled from OOT

FWIW, I think this would have been one of the best OOT threads in recent times. Its fascinating.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:35 PM   #159
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This is [censored] crazy.

Pizza places were a good example of your "goldmines," what are some other ones, if you don't mind potentially giving up your secrets to other not-homeless dumpster-diving internet users?
to be honest. i do mind.

a lot of the gold mines are veyr well kept secerts, and have been available for years.

pizza plaaces are so ubiquitous that i can give it up.
What a load of [censored]. If you were really worried about the amount of waste in society, you would be shouting your sources from the rooftops rather than keeping them "well kept secrets". Utilitarian? I'm sure your intentions are good, but your execution is a miserable failure.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:38 PM   #160
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RDH,

the one on the right is cute.

Evan,

You're coming off as a real assbag.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:39 PM   #161
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ok so u have good money. u feel bad for the world. so u sit on that money and not give it to ur 'brothers'?


i feel bad for u
as I said above, I am already giving a lot of my money away, to my family and friends in Mexico. I am also trying to make the +EV play of keeping a bankroll so i can move up stakes so I can help more people, while at the same time satisfying my conscience by giving what I can for now. FWIW I have probably given over 20% of my poker winnings to others and spent less than 5% on myself, and saved almost all the rest.
Wow, yea you are really preventing suffering by hording dollars instead of feeding your brothers. What a joke.
Are you [censored] ******ed and illiterate??

Does your general attitude towards those that are many times over a better person then you have anything to do with the fact that you are no longer a mod? Wouldnt suprise me in the least.

Get a [censored] life.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:41 PM   #162
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no wonder u were exiled from OOT

FWIW, I think this would have been one of the best OOT threads in recent times. Its fascinating.
Except in OOT, there would've been 10x (100x?) the amount of "OMG dude you suck meat meat meat vegans are gay go touch a dick" type of comments.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:41 PM   #163
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Man, I see where this argument is going and it sucks. If veganmav wants to battle oppressive corporations and help the environment by leaving a smaller eco-footprint, then so be it. I commend that attitude, but even further, I commend him actually DOING it. People are mostly idealists at heart, but few of us actually make an attempt to live out those ideals. Saying veganmav is a jerk or whatever because he isn't giving away all his poker profit to the starving kids or whomever is ludicrous. I would even venture to say he has bigger plans down the road on what to do with his profits because he seems like that kind of guy. GL vegan.
Very well put
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:42 PM   #164
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You're coming off as a enormous piece of [censored].
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:42 PM   #165
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no wonder u were exiled from OOT

FWIW, I think this would have been one of the best OOT threads in recent times. Its fascinating.
Except in OOT, there would've been 10x (100x?) the amount of "OMG dude you suck meat meat meat vegans are gay go touch a dick" type of comments.
Yeah and those boneheads dont get banned. Says something about the management over there...
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:43 PM   #166
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This is [censored] crazy.

Pizza places were a good example of your "goldmines," what are some other ones, if you don't mind potentially giving up your secrets to other not-homeless dumpster-diving internet users?
to be honest. i do mind.

a lot of the gold mines are veyr well kept secerts, and have been available for years.

pizza plaaces are so ubiquitous that i can give it up.
What a load of [censored]. If you were really worried about the amount of waste in society, you would be shouting your sources from the rooftops rather than keeping them "well kept secrets". Utilitarian? I'm sure your intentions are good, but your execution is a miserable failure.
Theres a very easy explantion for why hes not telling you.

Do you see why?
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:44 PM   #167
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no wonder u were exiled from OOT

FWIW, I think this would have been one of the best OOT threads in recent times. Its fascinating.
maybe i can get un-banned/
I PM'd mat sklansky but i think he said no
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:47 PM   #168
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Whats the story behind the initial bannage anyway?
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:48 PM   #169
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side note to all these posts.

I grew up the poorest of the poor.
When we ate out of the trash because we had to.
one time when I was 13, and not quite so poor but still poor, my uncle in mexico came to me crying, asking me if i could give him 20 thousand pesos (i think)(which was like 6 dollars at the time i think) so that He could have food for the week. I knew he didnt have enough money to eat regularly, and I obviously gave him what I had.

It's things like those that haunt me someitmes.
When I win 10k playing poker, I am sad that I live in such a world where lots of us make so much money playing poker, and waste it on other things like fancy cars, or neclaces, or watches, when our brothers and sisters don't have enough food to eat, just to stay alive.

I don't think that I could buy any of the stuff in this thread where people brag about their luxuries. I think that I couldn't live with myself if I bought some of those thngs. Yes it is nice to have stuff, and we shouldn't short ourselves. I still have a car, a place to stay, I play soccer, and I bought soccer shoes, I sometimes buy some small luxuries like vegan ice cream, or a good book, but as long as others are still dying because they dont even have enough food to eat, I think that we should limit our luxuries.

That is the kinda the point of me responding to all these posts, and being vegan, and eating out of trash, and talking about this.

It's just, let's please not waste so much, let's please not spend so much, let's try to limit our luxuries, and if you aren't willing to do these things, can you at least not make fun of someone who is trying their best to do these things?
thanks.

i am not gay.
I've got a lot more respect for you after reading this post than I ever did before. Even if you are half deer.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:51 PM   #170
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This is [censored] crazy.

Pizza places were a good example of your "goldmines," what are some other ones, if you don't mind potentially giving up your secrets to other not-homeless dumpster-diving internet users?
to be honest. i do mind.

a lot of the gold mines are veyr well kept secerts, and have been available for years.

pizza plaaces are so ubiquitous that i can give it up.
What a load of [censored]. If you were really worried about the amount of waste in society, you would be shouting your sources from the rooftops rather than keeping them "well kept secrets". Utilitarian? I'm sure your intentions are good, but your execution is a miserable failure.
The problem with telling too many people about the "goldmines" are many. It has happened before.

This one place called FORC (FEDERATION OF OHIO RIVER COOPERATIVES (FORC) 320 Outerbelt St, Suite E
Columbus, OH 43213
614-861-2446)

Used to be a great place for somwhere around 10 years.

It became way too popular with people who weren't familiar with dumpster diving.

There are several no-no's in dumpster diving, like leaving a mess, vandalizing, dumping your own garbage in theirs, because if you do these things, the owners of the dumpster will get mad and try to stop you from dumpster diving.

But if you leave no mess, no trail, and even help clean up a little bit, and you are always quick and clean, they never notice, or if they do, they don't mind so much.

So anyway, FORC got way too popular and they hired a security guard to watch their dumpster! People still tried to dive, so they instead keep their dumspter inside the building (is the rumor[becuase there is no dumpster visible now]) and nobody gets to eat their refuse.

So we don't tell the goldmines to people who don't dumpsterdive.
But I do tell fellow dumpster divers, because I know they will respect the dumpster, and the area, so that it can be a source of food for everyone for years to come.

My goldmines have been coming through for years.
I wish it didn't exist, I wish the stores didnt throw away a can if it was dented, or a bottle if the label fell off. But as long as it does exist I want to preserve it.
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Evan,

You're coming off as a enormous piece of [censored].
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:54 PM   #172
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RDH,

the one on the right is cute.

Evan,

You're coming off as a real assbag.
I'll stnad up for evan and say at least he is having some good ideas and arguments, rather than just saying "vegan is gay" or something.

I apreciate that he at least thinks before he speaks, even if I disagree with his thoughts.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:58 PM   #173
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Whats the story behind the initial bannage anyway?
I said earlier in this thread somwehwere i think, but anyway i made a dumb poll once and got warned. Then I made a post about how I snuck into first class, and the mods thought it was all fabricated, so I got banned. for life.

They said only reason i wasn't banned from all of 2p2 is cus i frequently post in strategy forums (midhigh shorthanded limit).
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Old 07-28-2006, 06:02 PM   #174
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Evan,

You're coming off as a enormous piece of [censored].
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what does QFT mean?
For the longest time, I thought it meant "Quit [censored] talking!" but it actually means "Quoted for truth."
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Old 07-28-2006, 06:02 PM   #175
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How many people could actually live from this? What is the trash dump potential in a 500,000 pop city?

As to method, couldn't you just explain to i.e. the pizza shop what your motivation is and that you aren't going to buy any pizzas anyway, so that they might as well give you the leftover pizzas directly instead of going via the trash?
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