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Old 06-21-2008, 06:57 PM   #51
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Solid brag, hilarious won at showdown though.
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Old 06-21-2008, 07:07 PM   #52
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VERY nice man

F the haters..they're just jealous
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Old 06-21-2008, 07:12 PM   #53
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Wow why does everything have to turn into a dick waving contest? The object is to make money, not be "tough to play against." Sure, he might have to make adjustments and mix it up to succeed at nosebleeds, but who wouldn't? Making monies is the object, not playing game theory optimal poker vs. regs.

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Old 06-21-2008, 07:48 PM   #54
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no(where in my post did I say anything about myself?), but I'd guess most would say I'm a lot tougher to play vs than leatherass. now if only I had the work ethic he does, I might get somewhere


fwiw tho- most of my play with leatherass is at ftp 10/20 6m, which seems to be where he has his lowest win rate. some styles work better in some games than others.
I can confidently say that at 6max 10/20 FTP I have run very poorly over this sample size of 80kish hands. And if you think some styles work better for different games then how do you explain my WR for 25/50 6 max? Here is my Stars 10/20 for this year:

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In my opinion you have one set way that YOU think makes a player good. Your idea of good is that he is "tough to play against." And by "tough to play against" you mean that he bets and raises and puts you in difficult spots all of the time. Or simply put, the player is annoying to you. But in poker the money comes from getting your opponents to misjudge your range. So although some may play a tigher preflop style than others, that doesn't mean that people are judging their ranges correctly and that is where the money ultimately comes from. Believe me there are big winning LAG's out there that I love to play pots with because they play me so poorly it is almost laughable. And of course there are some, like CTS, who I just want no part of.

Bottom line is that there are like 1000 factors that go into being a great player. Youy took one factor (preflop strategy) that you think I am weak in and therefore give me little respect because of it. I have heard a million different criticisms of my play from a million different regulars that I play against. The range of reasons people give to try and discount my success has had me LOLing throughout my career. Like your latest one that I "play the fish as well as anyone"...lol. How hard is it to bust a fish? You having trouble with that? Funny stuff. But throughout all of the criticisms, I keep winning as big or bigger than anyone in my games. Truth be told, most of these regs that are criticizing me just aren't good enough to realize why I am winning so much.
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Old 06-21-2008, 08:00 PM   #55
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leather ass powns this thread
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Old 06-21-2008, 08:05 PM   #56
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Old 06-21-2008, 08:06 PM   #57
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Leatherass,

I think you are a good player. I know why you win lots of money. You have impecciable game selection, you don't tilt, and you can put in a lot of hours playing near your A game. Also you don't do ******ed lag moves like many regs do when they don't understand how their oppotent plays (misjuding their hand range) and make spewy plays that should be right if their oppotent 'was playing good'. The write off their bad moves to hitting the top of their oppotents range when they don't understand their oppotents hand range at all.

You probaly make as much money vs fish as any regular but you you would probaly lose money to most of the though regs at 25/50, but if you game select well you still win in these games. But honestly, that is such a small part of making money in poker that it doesn't really matter. Bankroll mangement, tilt control and game selection are such a huge part of being a poker pro and far more important than how you actually play hands. You are probaly one of the best in all of these areas.

With all that said I don't think you would currently be one of the biggest winners at the 25/50+ games online. But who cares? There are probaly 10-15 people on the whole internet who making $5/hand+ at NL and they are not able to put in nearly as many hands as you as they have to spend much of their time 2-3 tabling or just sitting around waiting for fish to join.

I don't understand why you are looking for valadation of your play on 2p2. Your style of play, game selection etc. is all about keeping your ego in check and shipping the money. Who cares what other people think of your game who make 1/5th of what they do? If you want to ship the money stick to your game, and if you want their respect start 1-2 tabling and degening it up at the nosebleeds (its a lot more fun anyways).

I have a question for you though. How do you keep up of the movtation to grind the lowstakes? I doubt at this point anymore money is adding to your happiness. I wish I could be a 5/10 grinder but I have a hard time movitating myself to play hands at those stakes when the money is so meaningless to me. I really think there are under a dozen people who make more money at online NL than you do and their swings are stress level are a lot bigger.

Also I'd love to do a bet with you seeing who could make more money in 5/10 in a month, with each of us putting up 20k or so. Would be a lot of fun and moviate me to play 5/10.

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Old 06-21-2008, 08:18 PM   #58
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yeah, leatherass in any bet would be awesome
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Old 06-21-2008, 09:20 PM   #59
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wow i wanna see that bet go down.
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Old 06-21-2008, 09:40 PM   #60
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Leatherass,

I think you are a good player. I know why you win lots of money. You have impecciable game selection, you don't tilt, and you can put in a lot of hours playing near your A game. Also you don't do ******ed lag moves like many regs do when they don't understand how their oppotent plays (misjuding their hand range) and make spewy plays that should be right if their oppotent 'was playing good'. The write off their bad moves to hitting the top of their oppotents range when they don't understand their oppotents hand range at all.

You probaly make as much money vs fish as any regular but you you would probaly lose money to most of the though regs at 25/50, but if you game select well you still win in these games. But honestly, that is such a small part of making money in poker that it doesn't really matter. Bankroll mangement, tilt control and game selection are such a huge part of being a poker pro and far more important than how you actually play hands. You are probaly one of the best in all of these areas.

With all that said I don't think you would currently be one of the biggest winners at the 25/50+ games online. But who cares? There are probaly 10-15 people on the whole internet who making $5/hand+ at NL and they are not able to put in nearly as many hands as you as they have to spend much of their time 2-3 tabling or just sitting around waiting for fish to join.

I don't understand why you are looking for valadation of your play on 2p2. Your style of play, game selection etc. is all about keeping your ego in check and shipping the money. Who cares what other people think of your game who make 1/5th of what they do? If you want to ship the money stick to your game, and if you want their respect start 1-2 tabling and degening it up at the nosebleeds (its a lot more fun anyways).

I have a question for you though. How do you keep up of the movtation to grind the lowstakes? I doubt at this point anymore money is adding to your happiness. I wish I could be a 5/10 grinder but I have a hard time movitating myself to play hands at those stakes when the money is so meaningless to me. I really think there are under a dozen people who make more money at online NL than you do and their swings are stress level are a lot bigger.

Also I'd love to do a bet with you seeing who could make more money in 5/10 in a month, with each of us putting up 20k or so. Would be a lot of fun and moviate me to play 5/10.
Great post Andrew. I think you are spot on with pretty much everything you said here and I really appreciate the many compliments you gave me. You are obviously a great player yourself so I appreciate it.

I think your assesment of my game and how I would do against a tough 25/50 line up is spot on, but in my opinion, only because no one has seen my game at any time other than when I am ten tabling. There is no way I could make money off of a table full of mostly tough regs while spotting them the edge of playing a crazy number of tables. In my opinion, and I do not state this as a matter of fact but rahter just my opinion, I believe I would do jsut fine versus those lineups if I was playing just 2-3 tables. But like you said, not a big deal and who really cares.

As far as a prop bet goes I would certainly be willing to do one, but I doubt we could come to terms and make both a fair bet and one that would make sense to benefit both of our games. I would be glad to do a bet for a month to see who could make more, but it would ahve to be like 150k hands minimum for the month otherwise it wouldn't be a fair bet for me. I play 150k hands most months and my WR is hurt some because I play such long sessions and play so many tables at once. So if I played my normal 150k hands and you played less and we just compared WR's at month's end, you would have an advantage. At the same time though, I am used to playing that many tables at once and long hours so to ask you to play that many hands, probably gives me an edge. So I am just trying to think of something that is fair, but at the same time makes me want to play a lot of poker. If you can come up with something let me know. I like a bet of around $20k. I like you and you're a vgood player so I'd prefer to keep it pretty friendly with you.

To take it a step further, I will challenge anyone in the world to who can make the most money in a month online on the condition that you have to play 150k + hands and it must be FR or 6 max (No HU) and games played higher than 10/20 DO NOT count to the total. So anything between 5/10 and 10/20 counts. I will make this prop bet with anyone and will make it for up to $250k. We would have to come to fair terms though as I will not make any bet where there is any opportunity whatsoever to cheat. If there are any takers just respond in this thread and I will be happy to start the prop bet anytime after the WSOP ME.

Thanks again Andrew. Nice post.
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Old 06-21-2008, 09:43 PM   #61
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Wow why does everything have to turn into a dick waving contest? The object is to make money, not be "tough to play against." Sure, he might have to make adjustments and mix it up to succeed at nosebleeds, but who wouldn't? Making monies is the object, not playing game theory optimal poker vs. regs.

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this. awesome job, leatherass.
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Old 06-21-2008, 09:48 PM   #62
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Sick month, LA
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:03 PM   #63
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CTS has pretty good work ethic and for 250k I'm sure it would be in his league, would be interesting. By the way leather you are a very good player, acecr likes to bring people down.
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:07 PM   #64
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no(where in my post did I say anything about myself?), but I'd guess most would say I'm a lot tougher to play vs than leatherass. now if only I had the work ethic he does, I might get somewhere


fwiw tho- most of my play with leatherass is at ftp 10/20 6m, which seems to be where he has his lowest win rate. some styles work better in some games than others.
You looked like an idiot in that Cardrunners thread when LA's name came up and you look like the exact same idiot in this thread.

No one cares about you. No one cares if you think "being hard to play against" counts. What people care about is that LA is here making serious brag threads, proving time and again he can sit at these stakes, play a bazillion hands a month playing 10 tables a time and sustain an extremely solid winrate and you end up looking like a complete wanker when you come in and try to **** on the thread talking about him as a "nit with occassional FPS".

If you wanna start your own brag thread, please do, but right here and now LA is good people and we like him because he delivers the sick brags this forum was built for.
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:11 PM   #65
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you're sick, dude. Nice run
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:12 PM   #66
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The reason I chose stoxpoker over cardrunners was Leatherass.

Solid brag.
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:15 PM   #67
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You looked like an idiot in that Cardrunners thread when LA's name came up and you look like the exact same idiot in this thread.

No one cares about you. No one cares if you think "being hard to play against" counts. What people care about is that LA is here making serious brag threads, proving time and again he can sit at these stakes, play a bazillion hands a month playing 10 tables a time and sustain an extremely solid winrate and you end up looking like a complete wanker when you come in and try to **** on the thread talking about him as a "nit with occassional FPS".

If you wanna start your own brag thread, please do, but right here and now LA is good people and we like him because he delivers the sick brags this forum was built for.
Wow! I you.
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:32 PM   #68
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CTS has pretty good work ethic and for 250k I'm sure it would be in his league, would be interesting. By the way leather you are a very good player, acecr likes to bring people down.
If $250k fell out of CTS's pocket would he even bother bending over to pick it up?

If CTS wanted to do it I will have to admit I would probably swallow really hard and then give it the hardest damn fight anyone has ever seen for 30 days that I could possibly give. And if he beat me, well, then I guess I will just have to go to the bank and make a wire to his account and tip my hat to him. But I certainly wouldn't back down.
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:45 PM   #69
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So anything between 5/10 and 10/20 counts.
Good to know I can mix some good old 7.5 / 15 in
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:56 PM   #70
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Good to know I can mix some good old 7.5 / 15 in
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LeatherAss, you're work ethic is absolutely gross and your results speak for themselves. 1/2 of 2+2 envies your success openly. The other 1/2 hasn't grown a set yet. Congrats, and keep driving forward!
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:58 PM   #71
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Old 06-21-2008, 11:04 PM   #72
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Old 06-21-2008, 11:07 PM   #73
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One day, when I master BR management, I will be able to make a thread like this.

From the bottom of my heart, I'm terribly jealous in every humanly way possible.
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Old 06-21-2008, 11:52 PM   #75
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this is so impressive
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