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Old 08-02-2018, 07:15 AM   #1
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Angry How unlucky can I be on PokerStars?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 48.5 BB
SB: 229 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 97.5 BB
MP: 110 BB (VPIP: 21.27, PFR: 16.45, 3Bet Preflop: 8.52, Hands: 469)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 4 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 2 players) 9 9 Q
SB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (16 BB, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, SB raises to 18 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River: (52 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

Spoiler:


PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 178 BB (VPIP: 20.71, PFR: 16.47, 3Bet Preflop: 7.96, Hands: 1,036)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 62.5 BB (VPIP: 17.19, PFR: 8.59, 3Bet Preflop: 1.67, Hands: 130)
UTG: 108 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 111)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 38.57, PFR: 25.71, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 72)
CO: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 93)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, MP calls 5 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 2 players) T 9 5
Hero bets 9.5 BB, MP calls 9.5 BB

Turn: (34 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 22 BB, MP calls 22 BB

River: (78 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 61.5 BB and is all-in, MP calls 61.5 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:


PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 43)
SB: 102 BB (VPIP: 23.16, PFR: 16.84, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 97)
BB: 393 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 31)
UTG: 93.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 222.5 BB (VPIP: 30.94, PFR: 25.28, 3Bet Preflop: 9.95, Hands: 547)
Hero (CO): 103 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 4 J K
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

Turn: (21 BB, 3 players) 9
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 10 BB, SB raises to 20 BB, fold, Hero calls 10 BB

River: (61 BB, 2 players) 7
SB checks, Hero bets 39.5 BB, SB calls 39.5 BB

Spoiler:


PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 30)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 63)
BB: 111 BB (VPIP: 11.34, PFR: 6.19, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 102)
UTG: 103 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 85)
MP: 55 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) J 5 Q
SB bets 19.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 19.5 BB

Turn: (69 BB, 2 players) Q
SB checks, Hero bets 70.5 BB and is all-in, SB calls 70.5 BB and is all-in

River: (210 BB, 2 players) 6

Spoiler:


In 4 minutes and less than 50 Hands.
25 % of my sessions have those moments.

You can't really play like this.
And drop multiple stacks in a row every 2-3 sessions.
On NL2 is manageable I still can climb back to few bb/100 in later hands.
But on higher limits you can't really recover from this and would even lose more (400 BB instead of 300 BB here).

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Old 08-02-2018, 07:22 AM   #2
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

It has to be disheartening to still not be able to beat the lowest of stakes.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:32 AM   #3
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

I am still going to beat it NL2 here because I can manage to get a high win rate in the rest of the sessions.

It is just a huge handicap to have sessions like this so regularly.

And on other sites I don't.
I get sessions like this there around 1 out 10 or less.
On Pokerstars it's 1 out of 3 or 1 out of 4.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:36 AM   #4
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Luckily it appears to be very easy to notice. So easy that it would be trivial to set up a little experiment, suggest a bet and make tons of money from all the suckers here that don't believe a single word of the nonsense you're saying.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:38 AM   #5
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

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Luckily it appears to be very easy to notice. So easy that it would be trivial to set up a little experiment, suggest a bet and make tons of money from all the suckers here that don't believe a single word of the nonsense you're saying.
What do you mean ?
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:45 AM   #6
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You make certain claims about events that only happen on PS. I believe there are plenty of people that are willing to wager that in a controlled experiment this does not happen the way you describe. Thus if you're correct that is easy money.
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Old 08-02-2018, 08:15 AM   #7
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

I am not claiming to have a prove that it is rigged.
I am just sharing my personal experience and impression.

And how do you want to verify it ?
By me just sending you a database ?
It is just a text file I can easily manipulate and rewrite it.
I wouldn't even have to go this far, I could just go pick and choose certain hands/sessions.
I am telling you right away if we do it like this I am going to hustle/scam you :P

And like I said many times before it is a random outcome.
It could easily just have been solely bad luck and just a unfortunate coincidence.
Just to have a unlikely amount of downswings doesn't mean it's rigged.
Which could also change over time.

I am just sharing my personal experience and impression.
I am just saying I can remember ever having that many frequent doomswitchs.
Also I have a upswing on party poker and run above Ev.
So it could just be argued you are lucky there and unlucky here.

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Old 08-02-2018, 08:38 AM   #8
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Old 08-06-2018, 07:22 PM   #9
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Old 08-06-2018, 07:52 PM   #10
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:05 AM   #11
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Bunch of NL2 hands in OP, sounds exciting.
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:48 AM   #12
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How people tilt and play micros is beyond me.

You can't.feel anything losing $10

Be a man OP and put it all on the line

Every dollar you have should be on the table. Then you feel it.
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:19 AM   #13
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Every dollar you have should be on the table. Then you feel it.
Maybe that is all the money he has
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:43 AM   #14
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Why does pokerstars give the fish an opportunity to fold by dealing hands like K9s and stuff? Why not just rig it with easy decisions like AA vs a flop set every time. Theyre hurting their chances of keeping them in the game.
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:27 AM   #15
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Maybe that is all the money he has
Then go to bed child.
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:47 AM   #16
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Sod off OP. I'm so unlucky I haven't won a hand on Pokerstars for over 3 years.

Try that and see how you feel!
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:57 PM   #17
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That were all where 4 out of 5 flops I had seen in this 4 minutes.

Kind of became a pokerstars thing somehow in the last couple of years for me.
To get a bunch of hands that are going to lose or in other words a very high ratio of losing hands in 1 out of 4 sessions.

I didn't had that before and on other sites it also almost never appears.
What makes it really awkward.

Also it leads to many unplayable sessions in some sense.
I mean how are you going to implement hand selection during that period,
if close to every hand loses, there is like nothing you can pick from.
What makes it a bad gaming experience.
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Old 08-07-2018, 09:49 PM   #18
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I'm just a 10nl player but I see this stuff all the time on stars, but in the long run you end up ahead so don't worry. Also, I think you are overplaying single pairs too much.
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Old 08-13-2018, 03:12 PM   #19
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Happens the same everywhere, your brain is stupid as a human brain because it creates patterns. Thats why we dont cry, but we look at reality, through math.


oh and fold more rivers, you also play very bad.
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