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07-28-2006 , 07:03 PM

#126

InvisibleSoul

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07-30-2006 , 01:22 PM

#127

pudley4

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Yes, all the haters on the OP really dragged down the average IQ of this thread

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07-30-2006 , 01:33 PM

#128

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i think i just peed while reading this. just for future reference...can i deduce this sort of math into my Omaha game or no? (I just dont wanna b the 'Moran' that cant do math correctly)

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07-30-2006 , 01:53 PM

#129

MYNAMEIZGREG

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Thanks, appreciate the kind words.

I thought Id drive the point home with a testimonial from a real life friend of mine who has learned to apply this knowledge.

lol 20s

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07-30-2006 , 02:42 PM

#130

Herrigel

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Thanks, appreciate the kind words.

I thought Id drive the point home with a testimonial from a real life friend of mine who has learned to apply this knowledge.

How can you ever hold overcards preflop?

And yes, I'm a nit!

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07-30-2006 , 05:35 PM

#131

ObnxNole

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jman..last time i checked most a pocket pairs are AHEAD of any two big cards p flop with some exceptions like 2

vs a

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07-30-2006 , 05:36 PM

#132

ObnxNole

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Dang those are some sweet knives on the wall...that is also one the ugliest men I have ever seen.

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07-30-2006 , 07:00 PM

#133

el_dusto

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lol @ 300 dolla balla

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07-30-2006 , 07:23 PM

#134

Moonshine

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just when i thought some people on this forum couldnt be any stupider...i find this thread

JMan, you're a genius. thank god this got bumped

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08-06-2006 , 11:33 PM

#135

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i think i just peed while reading this. just for future reference...can i deduce this sort of math into my Omaha game or no? (I just dont wanna b the 'Moran' that cant do math correctly)

My experience with Omaha is more limited, but the general principle should be the same, a pocket pair is not as good as overcards. However, if you have 3 of a kind or 4 of a kind in your hand, you're ahead of a hand full of overcards, because even if they pair up a bunch of their overcards, its unlikely they'll make a set or quads to beat you.

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08-06-2006 , 11:34 PM

#136

fxwacgesvrhdtf

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jman..last time i checked most a pocket pairs are AHEAD of any two big cards p flop with some exceptions like 2

vs a

You are wrong, do the math moran.

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08-07-2006 , 12:18 AM

#137

bsheck

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WHY COULDN'T I HIT A DAMN SET!?!

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2785
UTG+1: t2369
MP1: t1300
MP2: t3847
MP3: t1909
CO: t335
Hero: t914
SB: t4481
BB: t2060

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 5

UTG calls t100 (pot was t150), UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to t450, MP2 calls t450 (pot was t700), MP3 folds, CO calls all-in t335, Hero raises all-in t914, 3 folds, MP1 calls all-in t850, MP2 calls t850 (pot was t2799).

Flop: 6

(t4099, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: t1590, Sidepot 1: t1737, Sidepot 2: t772)

Turn: 3

(t4099, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: t1590, Sidepot 1: t1737, Sidepot 2: t772)

River: K

(t4099, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: t1590, Sidepot 1: t1737, Sidepot 2: t772)

Results:
Final pot: t4099
MP1 shows 6c Ac 2h Qc </font>
MP2 shows Jd 2c 4c 4h </font>
CO shows 7d Kh Kc 5s </font>
Hero shows 5c 5h Td Ts </font>

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08-11-2006 , 08:15 AM

#138

counterspell

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i don't frequent this forum, but i had no idea there were this many any-other-internet-forum quality posters on 2+2. thank you for exposing them, jman. also, i did actually get my lol on.

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08-11-2006 , 09:32 AM

#139

Bubbles

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i did actually get my lol on.

You got your lol on?

That expression is beyond gay. Did you come up with it just now?

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08-11-2006 , 10:18 AM

#140

Georgia Avenue

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Bubble: You need to stop getting your haterati-on.

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08-11-2006 , 12:10 PM

#141

Bigdaddydvo

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Overcards are not only dominant in Hold Em, they also superior when playing "WAR." Drawing A

and K

to your opponent's 5

and 5

results in two easy victories.

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08-15-2006 , 08:06 AM

#142

yabastid

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jman,

this whole thread and your responses has made you one of my fav posters. I can't believe I missed this. thank you.

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08-15-2006 , 10:32 AM

#143

canada_dry

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Dude are you for real??? Or are you smoking crack?

Think of this way: Overcards need 1 of the remaing 6, or some combo of straight, running flush, or weird paired board to counterfeit lower pair.

Pocket Pair: EVERYTHING ELSE

Net result: pocket pair slight favourite to win 52% i believe.

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08-15-2006 , 11:33 AM

#144

lostandgone85

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lol you moran

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08-15-2006 , 12:18 PM

#145

Inthacup

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bbv has come a long way

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08-15-2006 , 12:43 PM

#146

canada_dry

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what is "moran" ...

learn to spell. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw...

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08-15-2006 , 02:12 PM

#147

Slade19

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I feel for Canada Dry...

I've seen a lot of his posts lately and he really... REALLY wants to engage in serious debates. Apparently the sarcas-o-meter some guy sold him is not only broken... but as it turns out is actually just a dead squirrel with some broken keys from a keyboard glued on to make it look high-tech.

Stop picking on the poor guy =/

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08-15-2006 , 02:14 PM

#148

meccaNES

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Where can i buy one of these and how much?

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08-15-2006 , 02:21 PM

#149

Butso

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I'm sick and tired of this "OMG I GOT BAD BEAT, I HAD A POCKET PAIR AND ALL YOU HAD WAS OVERCARDS!"

Preflop, a pocket pair only has 2 outs to improve,overcards have 6! (This is not even taking into account straight and flush draws!) That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand. So stop whining morans.

this is obv right for unconnected overcards, but connectors like 78 can make a run by hitting a 6 or 9. So they actually have as many as FOURTEEN outs making them a 7:1 favorite over a pocket pair.

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08-17-2006 , 08:22 PM

#150

HitmanHoldem

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I guess I've been misinformed from the start about poker. This guy is right! If you have more outs, you have the best hand. Realizing this, I must be playing way too tight. If my opponent overplays his AA and pushes preflop, and I look at my cards and just see a deuce, I'm going to call with that alone. I'll just keep the other card to the side because I won't need it since my 2 has three outs and my opponent's aces only have two.

I really think the OP is really going to help my game in the future.

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