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Old 12-04-2005, 04:48 PM   #76
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OMG I HAVE LIKE 1600 POSTS AND YOU HAVE 70, STFU NOOB.
Good God, its posters like you that make this site unbearable sometimes.
Good God, the inability of some people to detect ridiculously over the top sarcasm makes this site hilarious sometimes.
Honestly. Morans.
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:13 AM   #77
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I'm sick and tired of this "OMG I GOT BAD BEAT, I HAD A POCKET PAIR AND ALL YOU HAD WAS OVERCARDS!"

Preflop, a pocket pair only has 2 outs to improve,overcards have 6! (This is not even taking into account straight and flush draws!) That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand. So stop whining morans.
This is a joke right?
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Old 12-13-2005, 05:35 PM   #78
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Your problem is that you are reading crap like this. Read a 2+2 book and maybe you can understand my math, moran.

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oh god that is too good.
bluff call hahaha

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Old 12-13-2005, 06:18 PM   #79
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Dont laugh at the bluff call. When people call my bets i think oh [censored], i must be beat.
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Old 12-13-2005, 06:50 PM   #80
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Looks like this thread is full of uptight wannabes. Nice location.
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Old 12-13-2005, 06:53 PM   #81
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This is the best picture I've seen since predator vs tyra banks.

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Old 12-17-2005, 04:53 PM   #82
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This is the best picture I've seen since predator vs tyra banks.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:30 AM   #83
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wow, who knew there was some many morans on this board.

If you wanna really get good at poker study chapter 4 good and hard.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:06 AM   #84
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:27 AM   #85
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Your problem is that you are reading crap like this. Read a 2+2 book and maybe you can understand my math, moran.

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Chapter 3 is brilliant.

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Old 12-22-2005, 11:34 AM   #86
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Jman,

This thread is your best work, easy.
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Old 01-01-2006, 01:23 AM   #87
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Happy New Years, Morans.
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:27 AM   #88
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Some superdonk just sucked out on my AK with his overplayed KK preflop and its really pissing me off. Moran!
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:36 AM   #89
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Some superdonk just sucked out on my AK with his overplayed KK preflop and its really pissing me off. Moran!
that blows

I recommend you play hands like 98s and 87s - they still have 6 outs pair-wise, but they make MORE straights than AK

actually play any hand with a 10 or a 5 in it cause you need those cards to make a straight - happy fishing!
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:41 AM   #90
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Some superdonk just sucked out on my AK with his overplayed KK preflop and its really pissing me off. Moran!
that blows

I recommend you play hands like 98s and 87s - they still have 6 outs pair-wise, but they make MORE straights than AK

actually play any hand with a 10 or a 5 in it cause you need those cards to make a straight - happy fishing!
The problem with 10/5 offsuit is that it soo frequently gives you odds to draw for a better hand after the flop that your pfa goes down and you lose sklansky bucks.
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Old 02-15-2006, 05:27 AM   #91
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^How do you have so many posts and know absolutely nothing about anything?
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Old 02-15-2006, 12:54 PM   #92
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^How do you have so many posts and know absolutely nothing about anything?
How about you refute my argument instead of making a blanket accusation that does not disprove the facts I state in my post? Honestly, morans.
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Old 02-15-2006, 04:12 PM   #93
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I've seen more people go broke on AK than any other hand, mainly because they think it's a made hand like AA or KK. Even after it misses on the flop, they'll hang in there praying to make a pair.

AK vs. KK is a 3 outer though. Kinda like bringing a knife to a gunfight. If the flop is Q, J, 10, you're sitting pretty. Or if it's suited and you hit your flush on the flop, you're sitting pretty. If someone raises over 10X the BB and you think they're holding KK when you have A,K. . . it's a great play to fold that sucker. It's nicknamed Big Slick because it slips so easily into the muck.

Don't get me wrong, AK is a great hand, I'll play it every time, at least to the flop, but if it misses the flop, you need to toss it IMMEDIATELY.
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Old 02-15-2006, 04:24 PM   #94
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P.S.

Pocket pairs vs. Overcards is a case of realistically vs. Potentially.

Realistically: KK holder has a pair of kings.
Potentially: KK holder has four of a kind, kings.

Realistically: A,K suited holder has high card ace, king kicker.
Potentially: AK suited holder has a royal flush.

Realistically, you win way more hands with a pair of kings than with high card ace, king kicker.
Potentially: OMG AKs IS SUCH grEAT hand morans
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Old 02-15-2006, 11:30 PM   #95
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I've seen more people go broke on AK than any other hand, mainly because they think it's a made hand like AA or KK. Even after it misses on the flop, they'll hang in there praying to make a pair.
Even if it misses the flop its got 6 outs versus a pocket pair's 3 outs. The hand with more outs is the better hand.


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AK vs. KK is a 3 outer though.
KK is dominated, its sharing one of its outs with the AK, AK has 3 outs, KK only has 1!
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Old 02-16-2006, 01:26 AM   #96
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Beyond awesome!

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Old 02-16-2006, 03:09 PM   #97
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reading this thread is two minutes of my life i will never get back.
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Old 02-16-2006, 04:54 PM   #98
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jman, are you saying AK when it misses the flop is fav over a PP? NO ITS NOT. True the AK has 6 outs but the PP has 2 outs to make trips and 9 outs (pairing any of the flop cards) to make 2 pair. Thats 12 outs against the AKs 6 outs, 12/6=2 so the PP is 2/1 fav but since there are 2 cards to come 2/2=1 its even money. Hence the phrase coinflip for PPs vs AK.
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Old 02-16-2006, 05:22 PM   #99
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jman, are you saying AK when it misses the flop is fav over a PP? NO ITS NOT. True the AK has 6 outs but the PP has 2 outs to make trips and 9 outs (pairing any of the flop cards) to make 2 pair. Thats 12 outs against the AKs 6 outs, 12/6=2 so the PP is 2/1 fav but since there are 2 cards to come 2/2=1 its even money. Hence the phrase coinflip for PPs vs AK.
The "coinflip" is a common misconception. First, the "9 outs" you refer to to "pair any of the flop cards" exists for the overcards too, so those can't be addressed here. Its very simple, the better hand in poker is the one with more outs. Clearly, AK has more outs than QQ, therefoer AK is a strong favorte 6 outs versus 2 outs is a 3:1 favorite. Stop overplaying your pocket pairs moran!
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jman, are you saying AK when it misses the flop is fav over a PP? NO ITS NOT. True the AK has 6 outs but the PP has 2 outs to make trips and 9 outs (pairing any of the flop cards) to make 2 pair. Thats 12 outs against the AKs 6 outs, 12/6=2 so the PP is 2/1 fav but since there are 2 cards to come 2/2=1 its even money. Hence the phrase coinflip for PPs vs AK.
The "coinflip" is a common misconception. First, the "9 outs" you refer to to "pair any of the flop cards" exists for the overcards too, so those can't be addressed here. Its very simple, the better hand in poker is the one with more outs. Clearly, AK has more outs than QQ, therefoer AK is a strong favorte 6 outs versus 2 outs is a 3:1 favorite. Stop overplaying your pocket pairs moran!
jman - did you ever address the fact that, since the flop has 3 cards, they have 18 outs (3*6 outs) to counterfeit the pair, thus giving AK EVEN MORE OUTS!!! not to mention quads on the board!

it's a wonder AK is only a 3:1 favourite
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