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Old 05-14-2014, 04:29 AM   #751
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!1!!1

jman in BBV and no one says anything for 10 hours?

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Old 05-15-2014, 08:54 AM   #752
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!1!!1

Wow, did I get lucky!! Got it all in (obviously as a huge dog) with AA against 10 5 off suit preflop.

Flop: AKQ, all the same suit as the 10.

Turn: J - same suit as the 10, so of course I'm losing the hand to a Royal Flush. Pretty standard in this spot.

River: The last A!!! BBJ hits and I collect tens of thousands while only losing a $400 stack!!

Lost the hand, of course - but won the most money!!

Lee

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Old 05-17-2014, 10:16 AM   #753
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Wow, did I get lucky!! Got it all in (obviously as a huge dog) with AA against 10 5 off suit preflop.

Flop: AKQ, all the same suit as the 10.

Turn: J - same suit as the 10, so of course I'm losing the hand to a Royal Flush. Pretty standard in this spot.

River: The last A!!! BBJ hits and I collect tens of thousands while only losing a $400 stack!!

Lost the hand, of course - but won the most money!!

Lee
When I wrote this thread 8 years ago there was no such thing as a Bad Beat Jackpot. Now that there are BBJ's clearly the answer is that if the BBJ is greater than $125,333, never fold a pocket pair until the turn, and if you make a set by the turn, clearly never fold that pocket pair till the river.
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Old 05-17-2014, 10:17 AM   #754
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:55 AM   #755
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When I wrote this thread 8 years ago there was no such thing as a Bad Beat Jackpot. Now that there are BBJ's clearly the answer is that if the BBJ is greater than $125,333, never fold a pocket pair until the turn, and if you make a set by the turn, clearly never fold that pocket pair till the river.
As long as you can still fold river, I concur. But appropriate bbj threshold is about $125,003.50.
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Old 07-19-2014, 03:34 PM   #756
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As long as you can still fold river, I concur. But appropriate bbj threshold is about $125,003.50.
You forgot to carry the 1. It's a common mistake.
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Old 07-20-2014, 02:35 PM   #757
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Merry Christmas Morans!

Mikeal: I encourage you to repeat the second grade, reducing fractions is easy, you look for the lowest common denominator. KQ has six cards that makes improve (six actual cards, not virtual cards, this aint the matrix buddy). AA has 2 cards that makes it improve. Thats 6/2. You can reduce that to 3/1. That means for every four times KQ goes against AA, KQ will win three times, and AA will win once. Why is this so hard to understand? Honestly.

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I am not Phil Galfond, but I did teach him everything he knows.


I am new on here and to poker and im sure your math on this is exactly right however im a gambler. How about we meet up and we deal out 500 hands allin pre flop for $500 each hand you take KQs and ill take AA. Im sure you wll end up way ahead but like i said im a gambler so it sounds fun. Ill even come to wherever you are to do it.
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:25 PM   #758
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I am new on here and to poker and im sure your math on this is exactly right however im a gambler. How about we meet up and we deal out 500 hands allin pre flop for $500 each hand you take KQs and ill take AA. Im sure you wll end up way ahead but like i said im a gambler so it sounds fun. Ill even come to wherever you are to do it.
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Old 07-20-2014, 04:17 PM   #759
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Not enough time to go through the entire tread, just wondering if the **** in the beginning (3:1) was a big level or was this guy for real?
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Old 07-20-2014, 05:44 PM   #760
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I Wonder if people were really that easy to Troll back in the day or what? Since op isnt even subtle about his Approach and his post aren't really funny either after the first three or so
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:15 AM   #761
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I'm sick and tired of this "OMG I GOT BAD BEAT, I HAD A POCKET PAIR AND ALL YOU HAD WAS OVERCARDS!"

Preflop, a pocket pair only has 2 outs to improve,overcards have 6! (This is not even taking into account straight and flush draws!) That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand. So stop whining morans.
This is why you should only play suited pocket pairs. Because suited hole cards give you a 4% advantage, and because it's a pair you move the decimal point over once for each card, thusly:

.04 >.4> 4

Add that 400% advantage to the 2 outs and you have 404% chance of winning the hand.

Why doesn't everyone know this?
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Old 12-11-2014, 09:33 PM   #762
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Not enough time to go through the entire tread, just wondering if the **** in the beginning (3:1) was a big level or was this guy for real?
9 Years later, still morans everywhere.
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Old 12-11-2014, 10:03 PM   #763
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I prefer pockerpairs, I only need to remember 1 card


And they fit in my pocket

(^^see wut I did there?)

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Old 12-12-2014, 09:36 AM   #764
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And they fit in my pocket

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Old 12-13-2014, 10:33 PM   #765
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Guys, first of all, pocket pairs vs overcards is NOT a coin flip match. Most of the time pocket pair have advantage of 1 to 5% pre flop. Just use your favorite tool to simulate and take your conclusions.

This is a HUGE advantage, for example in cash games, over some 100s K hands. Just do the maths, how much it will cost.

I deal with quantitative models and Im used to consider diferences up to 0.001%. When I hear poker players talking about coin flips when one player has 1 to 5% advantage over the other player, it makes me laugh, all due respect.

I respect the fact that some guys may have some sort of fetish for overcards, just realize that pre flop this is minus EV. Even pocket deuces has tiny advantage over AKs.

Just do the maths
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Old 12-14-2014, 01:30 AM   #766
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Woah man you are so 1337 at maths and deal with such miniscule differences i am so impressed.
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Old 04-02-2016, 11:18 PM   #767
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Guys, first of all, pocket pairs vs overcards is NOT a coin flip match. Most of the time pocket pair have advantage of 1 to 5% pre flop. Just use your favorite tool to simulate and take your conclusions.

This is a HUGE advantage, for example in cash games, over some 100s K hands. Just do the maths, how much it will cost.

I deal with quantitative models and Im used to consider diferences up to 0.001%. When I hear poker players talking about coin flips when one player has 1 to 5% advantage over the other player, it makes me laugh, all due respect.

I respect the fact that some guys may have some sort of fetish for overcards, just realize that pre flop this is minus EV. Even pocket deuces has tiny advantage over AKs.

Just do the maths
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Old 06-09-2016, 07:19 PM   #768
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Don't be like this chump, getting it in pre practically dead:

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Old 06-09-2016, 09:46 PM   #769
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One pair never good

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Old 06-10-2016, 07:37 PM   #770
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The simple math is 2 down and 5 to come. Which cards are more important statistically? I'd like to see a flop at least. No one is entitled to act like the hand is decided pf.
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Old 07-23-2017, 08:35 PM   #771
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The simple math is 2 down and 5 to come. Which cards are more important statistically? I'd like to see a flop at least. No one is entitled to act like the hand is decided pf.
Exactly, morans.
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:07 AM   #772
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Lol this **** 12 yrs old
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:00 PM   #773
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poker was beatable 12 years ago
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:12 AM   #774
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Im wasting my 1000th post on a Phil Galfond troll from 12 years ago, that pretty much sums up modern 2 plus 2 (lol).

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Old 07-26-2017, 12:53 PM   #775
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Exactly, morans.
And he comes back to rub it in periodically.

God bless you my child.
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