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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, A

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t300, MP3 raises to t600, CO calls t600, Hero raises to t5000, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.

Flop: (t15255) Q

, 7

, Q

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t15255) 8

(3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t15255) 9

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t15255

Results in white below:
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840.

Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.

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11-29-2005 , 09:54 PM

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, A

, 7

, Q

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t15255) 8

(3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t15255) 9

Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.

This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.

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11-29-2005 , 10:21 PM

#28

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

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Hey idiot, the difference is with a pocket pair, you don't have to improve.

... its not fun when its this easy

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11-29-2005 , 11:12 PM

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danzasmack

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this whole bad beat forum is the only reason internet poker will never "dry up" - just when someone learns to play. they'll take a bad beat and post here with the sarcasm button not pressed and read about the doom switch sign on and off 20 times then go all in with 67 and think they are 3:1

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11-30-2005 , 01:39 AM

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sightless

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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...

holly crap i just choked on some cranberry juice ); nh sir

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11-30-2005 , 10:37 AM

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Baloosh

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But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.

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11-30-2005 , 11:40 AM

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bdmcgraw

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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE

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11-30-2005 , 11:58 AM

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Ya_Fooboo

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Thank You. I'm just so sick of the whining on these boards "Waah Waah, I lost with AA to KQ." KQ HAD SIX OUTS TO IMPROVE IDIOT, YOU ONLY HAD TWO!

Realize in this example that AA is a made hand and KQ has to improve. This is where the error of you math comes in. But I don't think you were talking about AA vs. xx. I though (at first) you were talking about (for example) QQ vs. AK or 99 vs. KJs.

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11-30-2005 , 12:02 PM

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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE

IF YOU MAKE A POST ON THIS BOARD THAT ISN'T A TROLL POST THEN YOU SUCK AT POKER.

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11-30-2005 , 12:19 PM

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Shajen

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dids:

In this new age of enlightenment, realize the O RLY owl is played out.

You need to gain some knowledge:

PS: OP is correct. You all suck at poker.

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11-30-2005 , 12:31 PM

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Baloosh

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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE

I'm sure screaming about it got your point across all that much more. Do you feel better now?

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11-30-2005 , 12:32 PM

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Emon96

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, A

, 7

, Q

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t15255) 8

(3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t15255) 9

Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.

What are you whining about...you all had the same two outs to win...which means you were all 50%. Imagine winning that pot and getting 150%!!!

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11-30-2005 , 02:07 PM

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Eder

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I think I could find a CALL here ...aces are dominated, but implied odds make a call correct?

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11-30-2005 , 02:18 PM

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shmoosh

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lol You got me

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11-30-2005 , 04:00 PM

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I think I could find a CALL here ...aces are dominated, but implied odds make a call correct?

Well, I've thought about it some more. And like I said, from a strict pot odds point, its EV neutral, you all have a 1:3 shot of winning and you're all getting 3:1 on your money. Assuming you play well postflop and can outplay your opponents if you hit your outs, then yeah, implied odds may make this worth a call.

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11-30-2005 , 04:59 PM

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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.

No. And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.

DO THE MATH MORAN! POCKET PAIR OUTS: 2. OVERCARD OUTS: 6. 2:6=1:3. OVERCARDS ARE A 3:1 FAVORITE.

You must really suck at poker.

LEARN TO SPELL MORON, MORON!
You must really suck at English.

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11-30-2005 , 05:16 PM

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lotus776

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if you run any pckt pr. in a program that plays EVERY possible hand then you will realize that the 55% to 45% favorite that pckt prs have is true

pokerstove.com <-------------try it yourself

and calm down

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11-30-2005 , 05:17 PM

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lotus776

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moron is spelled with two o's...moron...you moron

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11-30-2005 , 05:18 PM

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Georgia Avenue

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Moran is actually spelled:
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11-30-2005 , 05:20 PM

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lotus776

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you have a very high opinion of yourself JMAN. relax please

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11-30-2005 , 05:20 PM

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fxwacgesvrhdtf

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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.

No. And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.

DO THE MATH MORAN! POCKET PAIR OUTS: 2. OVERCARD OUTS: 6. 2:6=1:3. OVERCARDS ARE A 3:1 FAVORITE.

You must really suck at poker.

LEARN TO SPELL MORON, MORON!
You must really suck at English.

One of these days (soon) you're going to look back on this post, and realize how wrong, and silly you were.

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11-30-2005 , 05:21 PM

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jba

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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.

No. And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.

DO THE MATH MORAN! POCKET PAIR OUTS: 2. OVERCARD OUTS: 6. 2:6=1:3. OVERCARDS ARE A 3:1 FAVORITE.

You must really suck at poker.

I JUST GOT HERE AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON

And I really suck at life.

FYP new guy

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11-30-2005 , 05:21 PM

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The fact that you still don't understand this thread after 30 posts is really quite a testament to how awesome this forum is. The math is all there, I don't need a silly program to tell me how to reduce fractions. The fact that you do is very sad.