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Originally Posted by jasonfish11
Well I think we found the problem. You are working with virtual outs where as Jman and I are working with real outs.
In the real outs system (you know reality) KQ has 6 outs and AA has 2 therefore KQ is a 3:1 favorite.
I dont personally study virtual outs because I play in real money. But I guess virtual outs would work for virtual money or play money.
They are only called "virtual" because OUTs usually refer to cards that help hands to improve.
But another ALTRENATE DEFINITION of OUTS:
is any card that not only helps a hand to improve,but also any card that helps a hand to hold up and blocks outs of the other hand.
By the ALTERNATE DEFINITION of OUTS:ANY ANY ANY CARD CARD CARD that DOES NOT DOES NOT DOES NOT HELP KQ IS a CARD OUT that BLOCKS a KQ OUT and HELPS AA to HOLD UP and WIN.
So since even if KQ hits 1 of 6 outs to hit a K or Q,that doesnt help KQ win and AA is still ahead.
So according to that,KQ only really has 3 outs chance to win against AA.
Now if you take 52 cards subtract 18 dealt out cards at 9 hand table down to 34.Then subtract 5 board cards down to 29.subtract KQ's real 3 outs not 6 because of KQ needs to hit 2 of 6 outs to win,not just 1.down to 26. Subtract 3 more outs using the 2 4 system of outs.Down to 23.Subtract 2 burn cards down to 21
Thus AA has 21 card/outs according to the alternate definition of outs I put forth,that block outs of KQ,that dont help KQ to improve,and that helps AA to hold up and win, vs KQ's 3 outs instead of 6 outs because KQ has to hit 2 outs instead of just 1 out of 6 outs,and so really only has 3 outs.
21 > 3 3/21 3 divided by 21 = 14%(wow the virtual out system came pretty close to poker stove,sklansky,fergusson,Caro,etc etc)
Here is poker stove:
164,381,184 games 0.005 secs 32,876,236,800 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 86.074% 85.87% 00.21% 141152028 337086.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 13.926% 13.72% 00.21% 22554984 337086.00 { KQs, KQo }
Thus AA has 86% to win and KQ has 14% to win.
This is REAL MATH according to the VIRTUAL REAL OUTS according to the AlTERNATE DEFINITION OF OUTS I DEFINED.And its the same REAL MATH that POKERSTOVE,and SKLANSKY and CHRIS FERGUSSON and MIKE CARO USE.
Only a stubborn dogmatic idiot like you and Jman argues against this real math of pokerstove,sklansky chris fergusson mike caro,that wins billions of dollars in real money.
So after posting this post to clarify things to you.I am done.Its pointless to use logic and real correct math to prove u and jman wrong because of the stupid idiot moron dogmatic way to cling to your simple flawed math that stupidly moronically and idiotically argues against poker stove poker pros real math that wins billions in real money.
Mike DH