nice one day bump btys

there's never a reason for this not to be on the front page

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Two year anniversary in 10 days.

after reading this and finding out pokerstars has a reload in march my day is way better........

gold, this whole thread is a giant 100 oz bar of overcards gold.

QFT

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QFT

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inter-level level?

only bad beat with overcards is AA

i love playing AA and losing all my money to a donk

Ironically everyone in this thread who thought they understood the level, were in fact the ones leveled... which is why this thread is so genius.

unpossible, DUCY?
10*K=10K

fight yo?

Lol, Moran.

Let's take a very simple example:

You have J/10, I have QQ. There are 2 cards in the deck that make my hand better (ignoring straights and flushes for the moment). Those two cards are the remaining two queens. Therefore I have 2, read them, TWO outs. There are six cards that improve the J/10 hand. the remaining three jacks and the remaining three tens. Therefor you have six, read it SIX outs to improve. I'd really like to hear your justification for how the remaining 40 some odd cards improve your hand. A flop of seven, deuce, ace does not improve a pair of queens.

It's always easy to ignore the hidden outs. That's why morans play any AQ and sharks play AQ suited only.

You really didn't get it, did you?

Hahaha that cant be serious, if you really are 3:1 preflop in an all-in situation, you can only outplay your oppenent by one of these mysterious outs that instantly cracks aces

This thread is fun

Finally someone who has explained the poker the way I've been playing it for years. There are two major points so far that seem to have been neglected.

1. The average winning hand in poker is two pair. If you have aces, you will only ever have one pair or trips if you hit your outs. Therefore even your 2 outs will most likely not even give you a winner. If the board pairs then your opponent also has that pair which means it cancels out and you still just have one pair. You can NEVER make two pair when you've got a pocket pair in your hand...two unpaired cards can always make two pair.

2. It is impossible to overstate the importance of your two unpaired cards being suited. Basic mathematics indicates that you take your number of outs, double it, and multiply it by the number of cards remaing. So if you have 8 outs going to the river you are 16%. However lets take this to preflop thinking.

AA vs KQo. AA has 2 outs with 5 cards to come (5*2*2=20%). KQ has 6 (6*5*2=60%) And 20% of the time you hit your KQ outs the AA will hit their outs and win anyways (20%*60%=12%). 60%-12%=48%. So actually the KQ is a 48-52 underdog to the aces, but basically a coinflip.

Now assume the KQ is suited. There are only 4 suits so you have a 25% chance of making a flush. Take the 48% from above and add 25%. You're now a 73-27% favorite. Suited cards people...suited cards.

And yes this is my first post...frankly because reading through the forums I thought you all sucked at poker until I found this thread. It's good to see someone who has a real grasp on the math and realizes that a pocket pair is a coinflip at best, and completely dominated if your opponent's cards are suited.

have not laughed like that for a long time.

Thank you so much op

jman for mod

i just realized this isnt hsp jman.