lol memories

i know that hookers n blow have got it real tough this time of year

just face the facts that you are a cheat and nobody cares what you do. seriously how are you allow to post here still? **** off and die already.

People need to calm down. Saying "****ing scumbag" and "**** off, please die already" is just really unnecessary. Okey, he made a huge mistake, but please, stop with the **** talk.

I am one of the bettors and I've heard lots of great stuff about Kiva.

i just spent 30 minutes digging through that thread bbv sucks up my time

Good on you. I still would not want to be involved in any financial dealings with OP, but a gesture like this at least makes me think you aren't a completely worthless human. As opposed to gary_neville or whatever sn he's going by now.

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Yeah gary_neville pretty much admitted he was a sociopath and didn't give a **** what people thought about him. At least you're making an effort to set things straight (at least with yourself). good for you.

i warn everyone not to believe a single word that roseeker has to say. i know from dealing with people like him that he would shake your hand one minute and stab you in the back the next minute.

one thing i remember in 13 years of religion class :

when u donate and tell about it u basically just buying the applause for it.

when u donate and tell nobody u actually get forgiven

This is just what the world needs: more people who think the world is black and white and moreover that they can know what sort of person a person is just by what they say on the internet.

"People like me"? Sir do I even know you? Have you ever dealt with me? You think you can tell a person's worth and personality simply by a few things they have done regardless of circumstance and the rest of their life? Is a person defined merely by one or two events?

It's funny that people like you accuse others of naivety.


Who cares?? You think people who donate quietly aren't trying to win applause from their conscience also anyway? At least I admit that I am selfish, and while I'm not repeating the entire greed-is-good shtick, at least I know this is doing some people good.

Besides I am doing this because this is demanded of me, which is why I posted here.

Which part of "and be gone" don't any of you get? I'm not asking anyone to have "financial dealings" with me here. It's so ridiculous that people think I am some scammer who goes around making money from scamming when I'd lost a lot of money, EV, FPPs, and whatever from this scandal, and yeah, I deserve it, I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm trying to say that I've been punished for it and have learnt from it.

I've lost like 4.6k in staking people before, which makes it sort of funny to me that people think I'm trying to make a living with "financial dealings", moreover that people think I shouldn't have any money simply because of this incident?

That's laughable. I worked hard grinded hard for years to become a winning player after long long break even stretches, how did I not earn the money I have? In fact maybe part of me felt like I needed to extract revenge on the "2+2 mass" that cheated my money and get back what I'd lost. Yeah that's ridiculous, irresponsible, and stupid, but I'm young and sometimes young people do stupid things, but people who think I base my entire person on cheating people is so ridiculous, especially considering that I've been cheated way more than I've cheated people (cheated FOR my friend since I had practically no financial incentive in the event to begin with). So yeah, I have a cynical outlook on life because of it, and I have non standard outlooks on morality, I'm a nihilist, whatever, I don't even think that's shameful, so what?

But you really think you know my personality or what kind of person I am? You KNOW that I plan on stabbing someone's back "the next minute"? Why don't you go and become a psychic if you're clairvoyant? I haven't stabbed anyone's back exactly anyway, do you know what stabbing people's back means? If you're going to repeat some sentiment that everyone's said a thousand times already you might as well use the proper phrase for it.

I mean, this is the exact sort of ******ation, terrible reading comprehension, and lynch mob attitude I was talking about. I'm not asking anyone to trust me, I'm asking someone to be appointed to take my money, how complicated can that be? Who the hell cares why I am doing this as long as I am giving out MY money that I grinded out the past few months, giving it to people who was cheated, to use or donate as they please? If I am such a nobody scumbag, then you shouldn't care should you?

I like how when I said "it's just money" someone quoted and posted out of context. You know what? That applies to you. ALL of you probably have more money than you need, why don't YOU donate money? I bet a lot of you have more money than I have in fact, how come you're not all donating it? Don't say "oh we do donate it, we just don't talk about it", I highly doubt all of you are doing it, if any at all, and even if you are, you still probably have way more money than you actually need. Fancy hearing all these people judge me when I'm just a college kid who a while back used to skip meals to save up money. Yeah, so playing poker's made me a lot richer than I'd ever been before, but I worked hard for that, and now I'm trying to pay for what I'd done.

The fact is, any and all of the people who currently have access to 2+2 and the internet are privileged, as the majority of the world is in poverty, and that little extra money we have to buy an iphone or some travel case for a 30 inch monitor, is not money we need.

If you truly believe in morality and equality... WHICH I DON'T... but if you do, then you'd have the moral obligation do as much as humanly possible to establish that equality which would begin with you stripping yourselves of everything you don't need, and basically wear bare cloths and eat lentils every meal.

Good luck seeing that happen, but I look forward to having more people judge me on my lack of morality while being hypocrites themselves. I'm cool with it though, since I don't believe in morality as anything more than a social construct, so yeah, I "do the right thing" for the sole purpose of being accepted in society and making myself feel good...

Guess what, that's how our entire society works, it's what checks and balances each person's conduct. If you thought there was anything more than this, then, wise up. I just couldn't be bothered to lie and pretend that I feel really remorseful. Actually I do feel remorseful, but to be completely honest, any remorse I have is just irrational emotion that has been socially conditioned by my upbringing, which unfortunately I have not been able to weed out of my system yet.

In other words, I'm pretty much hollow and dead inside, there's no hope for me, so take my money and leave me alone, k?

Still waiting for an agreement, if there are no names, then I will not be able to pay the money back, in which case I will just donate to red cross.

Also, the cancer fund, can someone give me a link? I only have moneybookers, and no working credit card, is there some way for me to send it without having to and paying a lot of juice?

lol oh wow i remember reading about this a long time ago, amazing...

People make mistakes. You made a mistake. You got caught out and got what you deserved. Big deal.

2+2: Give the guy a chance to start over.

Also, I would definitely go for the cancer fund instead of the red cross...

just curious op, r u still friends with Gary_Neville?

I say carry out this gesture and then disappear. The hatred in this thread is over the top. Learn from your mistake.

I knew someone who stole a large amount of money when he 19. He turned his life around and now at 25 works in a highly responsible position in a bank.

Every person who has posted above me condeming you will screw up and make the wrong choice at some point. It often won't be on the same scale or as deliberate but still, the fact remains every one of us makes mistakes.

Time has passed, he seems to have learned his lesson and is trying to better himself. You don't have to forgive, but at least recognise that without so much cynicism and hatred. No-one died or got raped here.

I believe this to be the best way. Some people know me well enough and continue to keep contact with me knowing what I had done. Others have decided to sever any sort of relationship with me, that is their choice. I don't expect people on 2+2 to know me well enough to give me a second chance or bother finding out whether I have turned a new leaf, and I respect that; I just wish they don't make absolute judgment complicated things that they can't possibly fully know about, that's all.

I was very annoyed at him through the entire ordeal, and still carry some spite, but it was my fault I was involved and I want to put it in the past, so yes, I am still friends with him. If I want people to forgive me-- and I do want people to forgive it although I do not expect it of anyone, then I should do the same. Real friends would feel pity for those who make bad decisions, particularly when I myself have made them, and who does not make mistakes?

Barewire, for one, is still good friends with him despite having his reputation questioned because of him, and despite "ratting out" on him. That ability to do the right thing and out a friend for justice but still want to help said friend shows what real justice is-- justice is not about revenge, it's about making things right.

Gary Nevile has "recovered" a lot better than I have, for what it's worth, and personally I am a bit annoyed about that. We were motivated by our blunder to make good of what we had left, that's all.

bbv is lol. OP ignore the BBV holier-than-thou tards. humanity is so lost it's not even funny...

First off this whole post is more bull**** from some narcissistic sociopath. When you say **** like " I just couldn't be bothered to lie and pretend that I feel really remorseful", well, when decent people do something wrong they don't pretend to feel remorseful, they actually feel remorseful. If you can't even act like you give a **** I don't know why you would expect us to care.

The rest of your post is self-love drivel bull****. You worked sooooo hard at poker and blah blah blah, acting indignant towards me like I'm the one that pissed in your cheerios and posting your life story like I give a **** about some two bit scammer who was too dumb to successfully cheat at a prop bet.

That's what really irritates me....all your long diatribes about morality (which you don't believe in, shocker!) and your life and the bumpy roads that lead you there........geez get over yourself, I have never met a more self-absorbed failure than you. At the end of the day it's all just some bull**** rationalization anyways.

Anyways if you're serious about shipping some charity money why don't you just ship the money to dpred123? I don't know him and I can't vouch for him and I have never met him but obviously around the forums he is a trusted member, as he is currently escrowing another BBV prop bet. Since he was one of the bettors against you it seems that it would be fair for him to hang on to the "charity" loot, until the rest chimed in and figured out what they wanted.

What's the point of having him hold the money when it's safe in my account? It's my money I do what I like with it, and if I want to give it back to people who bet, that's my choice, I don't need to ask YOU what to do. Hell if I change my mind now, nobody can stop me, since it was my idea to begin with. Who are you anyway? You're a nobody, go away. Which charities did YOU donate to lately?

Speaking of which, why do you call it "loot"? What is this some victory over me and this is somehow the spoils of such an adventure? I am pretty sure decided to come out and take 1k of my own hard earned money out of my own volition. Well dyrybes was right, this is a good idea, lose money and get insulted by random people on the internet.

I obviously do care, and do feel remorse, but I don't feel remorse the same way you expect me to do. I care that I made a mistake and did something stupid, and want to never make such a mistake again, but I don't feel that I am a worthless human being for what I'd done, nor do I feel that I have been malicious or did anything to really hurt a lot of people in significant ways.

I said at one point I felt that money is just money and it's not a huge deal, and nobody is going to suffer a lot even if I did successfully help Gary cheat the money, and this is my gesture to put my words in action. Just as I believe the money means little to those being cheated, the money means relatively little to me, and I am thus willing to part with it.

As a point of interest, my views on morality as it stands now developed and matured rather recently. I was raised Christian and went to church practically every week, until now and I cannot stand the hypocrisy any more, but I don't intent to insult any religious people or discuss religion. I'm agnostic/atheist, that's my personal stance. I am pretty sure I am allowed to have my own philosophy and opinions as long as I am not forcing it on anyone, and I'm not, merely explaining it since people are intent on discussing it. If you don't want to hear my perspective, then don't talk about it.

Edit: ps. you clearly don't know what a sociopath is, because I don't see a sociopath risking his reputation and money to help a friend. Also the proper term is psychopath for the last ****ing time.

I think I've responded in this thread enough, and I've said all I needed to. If people wish to see things as black and white and with the same naivety and stupidity as some people, they can continue to do so. It is not my business.

No....? I am his friend... I helped chip dump to give him an edge. I got my stars account banned and requested a perma ban on my old 2+2 account. He still has his account.

You probably can't see it and I doubt you are capable of the sufficient level of introspection, but you still sound to an outsider observer like you're just spewing psychological disorders. Self-pitying, incredibly insecure and constantly trying to justify yourself. There's something rather disconcerting about reading your posts.

When you say things like "Which charities did YOU donate to lately?" you completely undermine this whole enterprise; because you're wielding some future charitable donation as a weapon to gain some kind of sickly moral superiority. This whole thread is so vulgar and superficial; if you want to make this happen, find a way to do it more subtly than posting in BBV. Not being able to PM hardly means you have to resort to a full-scale loss of dignity.

just so you know roseeker i have dealt with you in the past so yes i can say i know exactly the type of person you are. i must ask though what would you have done if you had not been caught. would you have just carried on like nothing had happenned? or would you be riddled with guilt and eventually confess? i think i know the answer but would like to hear your response.

Man, there's just a metric buttload of cognitive dissonance in OP

See, when your greed involves trying to cheat people out of their money, you cannot be unaware that you are trying to cause them harm.

Well, that would be applicable if this was Catholic school. As it happens, however, you are in the big wide world where people are intellectually sophisticated enough to accept the existence of dinosaurs.

If you'd ever taken an actual philosophy class beyond being spoon-fed by your religion teacher, you'd be familiar with the concept that there is no true act of altruism.