09-25-2018
, 07:30 PM
09-25-2018
, 07:31 PM
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**** all of you. Keep crying at night about your 1bb/100 wr, and I’m going to get back to taking your money. Clearly this is a valid post considering this is the bbv forum. Maybe if all of you were better at sorting through information, you’d be better at poker
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09-25-2018
, 07:33 PM
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What up pokrr,
I play Merge quite a bit, I’m glad that you have DriveHud. It’s some solid and very useful software.
Playing zoom is a unique beast and honestly, as you know, playing zoom is all about value. The dynamic of playing zoom is very different and the lines people take can be different from classic cash games. Ranges tend to be tighter pre, and people either hit the flop and stay to the river or miss and fold. I would say zoom is the love child of cash games and hyper turbo SNG’S.
Keep this in mind.
You have been dealt 6d,6s. This is a very strong holding in zoom pre, and you can generally elect to open raise if you are first into the pot. But when it has been opened and there are some callers I think that 3-betting here isn’t the best option. Like I said above, people in zoom once they are in the pot, they seldom fold to 3-bets and your hand simply doesn’t play well post, unless you hit a set. So your 3-bet is getting called a lot, and your ability to rep hands post flop is a tad bitter harder, due to the fact that people tend to get stickier in zoom settings. Calling in spots like this are best. But that’s the thing. These players are not from EP, and that is key.
I want you too imagine some ranges for both the CO opening and the Button Calling. The CO can be opening wide here, hoping to take the pot down pre. For the Buttons calling range, you can ballpark some basic ranges using the gap concept. In general, the Buttons range here is stronger overall than the CO opening. 66 here is a hand that you can 3-bet given that you are going to take the pot down pre more often than if someone in EP raised. I don’t CO opens as much credit, and the fact that the button didn’t 3-bet means that you are ahead enough to just pop it pre. If you get called by one or both, you can elect to just shut down when you miss the set, and over cards like 10’s-A’s come.
Now imagine some flops that could come out that don’t contain a 6, not giving you a set. Flops with Aces, kings, and queens in them. No use in bluffing here in zoom. Even if you raised pre. I like a 3-bet pre from you, but when you wiff the flop, just check fold. I also don’t mind you calling either hoping to set mine. Either way works.
You call the $6 and see the flop 3d, 6c, kc.
Congrats you hit your set! However, there is a flush draw. The king falls into both the CO and Buttons ranges as well. The CO can have all Kx combos here and club combos. The button has some Kx combos as well, but in general they are going to be stronger than the CO, he has spade combos as well. There isn’t much use in going over every possible combo here, but you want to have a general sense of what hands they can have here.
You elected to check. I don’t mind this. But you should only be checking a board like this to check raise. Remember above when I said people get sticky post flop in zoom? If it checks through, it would be safe to assume that no one had a Kx or club draw, generally people in zoom would bet these. So if it checked through, you would be looking for an ace, queen, or jack to hit so your villains can possibly hit a pair and you could get some value.
However, the CO leads for $14 and the button calls. It’s safe to say someone has a kx or club draw. You have no club blockers as well.
You call the $14 here. Your question here is how you can get more value with this holding when flopping a set. You should be raising here. Kx combos cannot fold here to often to a check raise. So If they do they would be exploited too often in zoom, and like I said people get sticky with top pair and you addressed this in your post. You can value own them for sure. As for the flush draws, you want to be charging them to draw to their flush as well. With sets, this is where you get your “value.” If a flush draw bricks on the river, how are you getting value from a missed FD? If they bluff sure, you can pick them off, but you should be getting value along the way by charging them along the way…
Even if you min raised here I would be ok with it, rather than just calling. You can raise bigger as well but I won’t bog you down with what the “right” check raising size is at this time. This is zoom after all. Some things aren’t dead set standard, and balancing ranges isn’t as important.
You call and see a turn. 8s.
At this point I would elect to lead. You didn’t check raise the flop so now I would lead. I would pick a size that allows TP to call. I’m not worried about if the flush draw calls and gets there, if he does, he does. The times that he doesn’t you have gotten value from TP as well as the flush draw, and when the river bricks the FD, you can still get some value from TP and choose to size down on the river.
You check. The CO leads again for $32, the Button calls, and you raise $145. Believe it or not, as played… now is not the time to raise. The turn is the 8s, what are you repping now? You took a passive line pre and on the flop. No use in “waking Up” now and getting tp with weak kickers/bluffs to fold. Since you took a passive line, the ability of getting value from bluffs and tp weak kicker is more important than getting flushes to fold.
As played at this point I would just call, fade the FD, check the river, and raise jam over whomever bets out. If you are worried that no one is going to bet, you can lead very small in the hopes that someone will simply call with tpwk or jam over the top because you appeared weak leading the river with such a small bet size.
Let me know what you think.
I play Merge quite a bit, I’m glad that you have DriveHud. It’s some solid and very useful software.
Playing zoom is a unique beast and honestly, as you know, playing zoom is all about value. The dynamic of playing zoom is very different and the lines people take can be different from classic cash games. Ranges tend to be tighter pre, and people either hit the flop and stay to the river or miss and fold. I would say zoom is the love child of cash games and hyper turbo SNG’S.
Keep this in mind.
You have been dealt 6d,6s. This is a very strong holding in zoom pre, and you can generally elect to open raise if you are first into the pot. But when it has been opened and there are some callers I think that 3-betting here isn’t the best option. Like I said above, people in zoom once they are in the pot, they seldom fold to 3-bets and your hand simply doesn’t play well post, unless you hit a set. So your 3-bet is getting called a lot, and your ability to rep hands post flop is a tad bitter harder, due to the fact that people tend to get stickier in zoom settings. Calling in spots like this are best. But that’s the thing. These players are not from EP, and that is key.
I want you too imagine some ranges for both the CO opening and the Button Calling. The CO can be opening wide here, hoping to take the pot down pre. For the Buttons calling range, you can ballpark some basic ranges using the gap concept. In general, the Buttons range here is stronger overall than the CO opening. 66 here is a hand that you can 3-bet given that you are going to take the pot down pre more often than if someone in EP raised. I don’t CO opens as much credit, and the fact that the button didn’t 3-bet means that you are ahead enough to just pop it pre. If you get called by one or both, you can elect to just shut down when you miss the set, and over cards like 10’s-A’s come.
Now imagine some flops that could come out that don’t contain a 6, not giving you a set. Flops with Aces, kings, and queens in them. No use in bluffing here in zoom. Even if you raised pre. I like a 3-bet pre from you, but when you wiff the flop, just check fold. I also don’t mind you calling either hoping to set mine. Either way works.
You call the $6 and see the flop 3d, 6c, kc.
Congrats you hit your set! However, there is a flush draw. The king falls into both the CO and Buttons ranges as well. The CO can have all Kx combos here and club combos. The button has some Kx combos as well, but in general they are going to be stronger than the CO, he has spade combos as well. There isn’t much use in going over every possible combo here, but you want to have a general sense of what hands they can have here.
You elected to check. I don’t mind this. But you should only be checking a board like this to check raise. Remember above when I said people get sticky post flop in zoom? If it checks through, it would be safe to assume that no one had a Kx or club draw, generally people in zoom would bet these. So if it checked through, you would be looking for an ace, queen, or jack to hit so your villains can possibly hit a pair and you could get some value.
However, the CO leads for $14 and the button calls. It’s safe to say someone has a kx or club draw. You have no club blockers as well.
You call the $14 here. Your question here is how you can get more value with this holding when flopping a set. You should be raising here. Kx combos cannot fold here to often to a check raise. So If they do they would be exploited too often in zoom, and like I said people get sticky with top pair and you addressed this in your post. You can value own them for sure. As for the flush draws, you want to be charging them to draw to their flush as well. With sets, this is where you get your “value.” If a flush draw bricks on the river, how are you getting value from a missed FD? If they bluff sure, you can pick them off, but you should be getting value along the way by charging them along the way…
Even if you min raised here I would be ok with it, rather than just calling. You can raise bigger as well but I won’t bog you down with what the “right” check raising size is at this time. This is zoom after all. Some things aren’t dead set standard, and balancing ranges isn’t as important.
You call and see a turn. 8s.
At this point I would elect to lead. You didn’t check raise the flop so now I would lead. I would pick a size that allows TP to call. I’m not worried about if the flush draw calls and gets there, if he does, he does. The times that he doesn’t you have gotten value from TP as well as the flush draw, and when the river bricks the FD, you can still get some value from TP and choose to size down on the river.
You check. The CO leads again for $32, the Button calls, and you raise $145. Believe it or not, as played… now is not the time to raise. The turn is the 8s, what are you repping now? You took a passive line pre and on the flop. No use in “waking Up” now and getting tp with weak kickers/bluffs to fold. Since you took a passive line, the ability of getting value from bluffs and tp weak kicker is more important than getting flushes to fold.
As played at this point I would just call, fade the FD, check the river, and raise jam over whomever bets out. If you are worried that no one is going to bet, you can lead very small in the hopes that someone will simply call with tpwk or jam over the top because you appeared weak leading the river with such a small bet size.
Let me know what you think.
09-25-2018
, 08:20 PM
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**** all of you. Keep crying at night about your 1bb/100 wr, and I’m going to get back to taking your money. Clearly this is a valid post considering this is the bbv forum. Maybe if all of you were better at sorting through information, you’d be better at poker
Post litany of dumb **** below that I don’t care about, plz. I jerk off to it at night!
Post litany of dumb **** below that I don’t care about, plz. I jerk off to it at night!
You posted what was a pretty standard beat. All the money went in with full house vs full house. It would have happened the same if the roles were reversed. Well, it may have happened a bit differently as you played the hand poorly, but all the money would have gone in.
Anyway, after you posted your original post, what did you think was going to happen? Did you really want a lot of answers saying "Bad luck OP", "You'll get them next time champ!".
Poker players see this type of beat all the time. Super standard stuff. It was also for basically no money. And certainly not thread worthy. So, you got trolled. That's what happens. Good threads get attention, bad threads get trolled. That is how it is here. A check of any thread in BBV and you'll see that.
Why do we troll? Because it's fun. In most cases OP laughs at himself that he's overreacted to make a thread out of a nothing situation and rolls with it. You should do the same. Life will be more enjoyable if you do it.
And on another side note, you posted a hand and nothing else. What's up with that? What can people comment on?
A future note. If you really want to post standard beats like your OP, that's fine, but you need to make it enjoyable for everyone. My tip is to add some threadsavers. Here's an example...
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