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Old 02-16-2017, 05:11 PM   #1
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SHUFFLEMASTERS LEGITMACY WHY/WHY NOT

For the longest time I have been debating with other players about
these so-called random number generators machines that for some reason everyone believes they are legit. These machines cost over $10,000 for each unit not to just to be completely random. There are other features that make these much more valuable. Also Most All machines are owned by bally and they mainly rent the machines out at a monthly rate to each casino.
these machines have the ability to read every card while shuffling and they can be remotely programmed to play different card games. Each machine has 2 different cameras inside!
They claim the reason they use these machines is to get more hands
dealt. Each time a hand is dealt the house gets a few dollars for their
cut.The machines shuffle a deck while game is in play, so when one hand is done the dealer just loads the machine back up with the deck just played, while grabbing the other deck that's been shuffled.
Can anyone answer any of these red flags because i have asked the
dealers the floor man the pit boss and not one have answered any.

1. Why do they have 2 cameras inside, when i spoke with a bally
representative he claimed its to catch cheaters. He had a machine
opened up and showed me the cameras he then took a card out while it was opened and turned it on. the shuffler started shuffling and then stopped. Sure enough, on the screen popped up the 8 of hearts the card that the rep. was holding. THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO CATCH CHEATERS I AGREE, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE THIS ALSO A GREAT WAY TO TRICK US ALL. THE MACHINES CAN READ THE CARDS PEOPLE! RED FLAG!

2. I then asked the rep. can this machine only play 1 game? The rep.
said oh no this game can be remotely programmed to play any game the user desires. IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED PEOPLE!THEREFORE IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED AND PLACE ANY CARD WHERE IT CHOOSES.THINK ABOUT IT.
IT CAN GIVE YOU THE BEST LOOKING HAND MAKING YOU THINK THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY OF LOSING. SO YOU GO ALL IN,EITHER PRE FLOP WITH YOUR ACES OR KINGS OR AFTER THE FLOP, ON THE TURN, OR THE RIVER! ONLY TO LOSE ALL
YOUR CHIPS TO SOME DONKEY HAND.THE ARGUMENT I HAVE WITH OTHER PLAYERS IS WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS WHEN WE ARE ALL PLAYING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
WELL........ LETS JUST THROW OUT ONE REMARK THAT THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. HAVE YOU EVER MET ANYONE THAT CLAIMS THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY? In my opinion the main reason they dictate the cards is for JACKPOTS! YOU KNOW FOR SURE THESE CASINOS HATE PAYING OUT THE JACKPOTS. WITH THESE MACHINES THEY CAN DECIDE WHEN AND WHAT SEATS HIT AND HAVE THEIR PLAYER OR PLAYERS COLLECT THE PURSE. THAT'S A NO BRAINER! one casino i have played at there is this old man who has hit the jackpot over 30 times while others that have played there just as much never hit it once. Hes just real lucky that's all! Another argument is they cant do that they will get caught by the gaming commission. They monitor all the casinos. How are they going to catch them its impossible to prove.

4.ON SEVERAL INSTANCES THE SHUFFLERS JAM UP AND STOP WORKING. SO WHY AT THAT POINT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A NEW MACHINE TO BE IN LIKE MOST OF THEM DO, WHY DON'T THEY START SHUFFLING AND DEAL THE CARDS. THEY ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING MORE DROPS IN? YET YOU SIT AND WAIT FOR THEM TO REPLACE THE SHUFFLE-MASTER WITH ANOTHER ONE.
5. DON'T YOU THINK THAT ITS STRANGE HOW THE W.S.O.P. DOESN'T USE THESE MACHINES. THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, WOULDN'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO GET THROUGH THE HANDS WITH MUCH FASTER AND
WITH A RANDOM NUMBER SHUFFLE THEN HAND SHUFFLED.

6.STRANGE HOW YOU ASK THE DEALER TO HAND SHUFFLE JUST THIS ONE TIME. SO THE DEALER HAND SHUFFLES THE CARDS. THEN THEY PROCEED TO PUT THE DECK IN THE SHUFFLERS,INSTEAD OF CUTTING THE DECK AND DEALING THEM OUT. WTF! WHATS THE POINT IN THAT.
I JUST RECENTLY CAME ACROSS THESE SMALL SIT N GO'S 10 PLAYERS WINNER TAKES ALL. WITH A 50$ BUY IN. TO MY SURPRISE ITS RUN WITHOUT THE SHUFFLERS. LOW AND BEHOLD I WIN THESE TABLES ON A PERCENTAGE LEVEL EXACTLY WHAT STATISTICS STATE WE SHOULD GO FIGURE. FUNNY THING IS I SPOKE WITH FLOOR MAN WHO RUNS IT OUTSIDE IN THE SMOKING AREA. I ASKED WHY DONT THEY RUN THESE GAMES ALL THE TIME AS IT IS NOW ITS ONLY FROM 330 TO 600PM MON-FRI. HE SAYS "THEY REALLY DONT LIKE THIS FORMAT, THEY WONT EVEN LET ME ADVERTISE IT, THEY CLAIM THAT THIS TOURNY GETS IN THE WAY OF BIGGER TOURNYS" REALLY! THERE ARE AT LEAST 40 TABLES RIGHT NEXT TO US THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN USED WHY CANT WE PLAY THERE? THEN HE SAYS " WELL THIS TYPE OF TOURNY IS NOT PROFITABLE FOR THEM. THEY WANT YOU OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE PLAYING THE LIVE CASH GAMES" WHERE THEY USE THE SHUFFLERS.

7.ANOTHER PERSON REPLIED THEY CANT DO THAT BECAUSE PLAYERS WOULD EVENTUALLY FIND OUT AND STOP PLAYING AT THE CASINO. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND OUT? YOU ARE NOT! NO WAY REALLY TO PROVE THIS.

8.Now are we to be trusting knowing if we know its impossible to prove that these poker rooms/casinos are not going to cheat us, we all know they dictate the slot machines, that's been proven. no chance in hell they would do that for the table games. not just poker which is far more complex then other table games like blackjack, baccarat, or 3 card poker etc..... I'm sorry fellas they are for sure. This is a big deal when it comes down to it. I would think by having just these few red flags that something could be done to blackball these cheats. The house is already favored without these machines. am i really asking too much? They already make a killing in profit. They don't need more drops per hour.
9. Why not offer both hand shuffled and auto-shuffled, I wonder how many players would pick the auto-shuffler because i know players like the shuffle master better.
10.hAS ANYONE BEEN TO A CASINO WHERE THEY ARE HAVING A HIGH HAND PER HOUR THE PLAYER WITH THE HIGHEST WINS EVERY HOUR. aLL OF SUDDEN PLAYERS ARE GETTING 4 OF A KIND STRAIGHT FLUSHES. BY THE END OF THE HOUR THE TOP 5 PLAYERS ARE QQQQ KKKK AAAA OR HIGHER.
If anyone has any insight on why this continues in all the casinos, or
any factual rebuttals, i would love to hear from you. As it stands right now for me i don't play with these machines anymore only
hand shuffled games which are only tournaments. being in southern
California there is only one casino that i have come across that has hand shuffled cash games and it a small casino with 1 table. A 2/4 limit with everyone in on every hand.
We already have the game to play which naturally has its highs and lows and wows and excitement of possibilities, NATURALLY!!!!!! We now have to wonder if this is even possible! Most of who reads this i will assume will think its preposterous, a made up idea coming from a paranoid player who has had little success at this game, and granted i completely understand and because i have felt that way may times. Here is the way i look at it, if there is even the smallest chance that this is a possibility then i would rather these greedy places hand-shuffle every game and eliminate that chance of literally stealing our money and taking the pure enjoyment out of the game or games we all love to play. How many red flags do you want to have weighing against you before you stop and realize these are machines are making suckers out of all of us.
my paranoid mind might just help us all down the road. Just do me favor fellow poker friends, when you play with the machines next time pay attention to what i have been paranoid about. its really not that complex to stack the deck. especially a mathematical genius like a computer. also did you notice when they swap the machines out when they jam up. pay attention its not only a shuffler, Its a mini computer with a computer fan and a switch with a hard drive! its programmable! trust that ! i simply just don't play with them anymore! its a bummer though, because where i live there isn't one live cash game that is hand shuffled. morongo was the only one left that was hand shuffled, but guess what last month they shut down their poker room to revamp it and make it bigger they claim. funny thing is its the same exact size it has always been. The only difference is they now too only use these shufflers. go figure. Now why on earth didn't they post that when they claimed it was to make the room bigger. the room is the same size people! if it was to put in tables for these so called legit shufflers then why didn't they just say that. anyways.... hope this helps.we should ban these stupid machines for good. i know i know keep dreaming there bucko! THE STRANGEST PART OF THIS ALL IS THESE CASINOS HAVE US ALL WRAPPED AROUND THEIR FINGERS. WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE THE BIGGEST CHEATERS WHEN IT COMES TO THE SLOT MACHINES, BUT NOT AT THE TABLE GAMES! THEY ARE COMPLETELY HONEST. THEY DONT NEED THESE SHUFFLERS, WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS POSSIBILITY, WHATS STUPID IS ITS ANOTHER "WHAT IF " THAT WE MUST CONSIDER. DONT WE HAVE ENOUGH OTHER POSSIBILITIES TO WORRY ABOUT. WHY CANT THEY LET US PLAY THIS GAME FAIR AND SQUARE. WE PLAY THIS GAME BECAUSE WE ALL ENJOY IT. MAKES ME SICK TO THINK ITS ALL A TRICK PLAYED ON US. WHAT A JOKE. WAKE UP PEOPLE
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Old 02-16-2017, 05:18 PM   #2
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Re: SHUFFLEMASTERS LEGITMACY WHY/WHY NOT

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Originally Posted by SYBS4S1E View Post
For the longest time I have been debating with other players about
these so-called random number generators machines that for some reason everyone believes they are legit. These machines cost over $10,000 for each unit not to just to be completely random. There are other features that make these much more valuable. Also Most All machines are owned by bally and they mainly rent the machines out at a monthly rate to each casino.
these machines have the ability to read every card while shuffling and they can be remotely programmed to play different card games. Each machine has 2 different cameras inside!
They claim the reason they use these machines is to get more hands
dealt. Each time a hand is dealt the house gets a few dollars for their
cut.The machines shuffle a deck while game is in play, so when one hand is done the dealer just loads the machine back up with the deck just played, while grabbing the other deck that's been shuffled.
Can anyone answer any of these red flags because i have asked the
dealers the floor man the pit boss and not one have answered any.

1. Why do they have 2 cameras inside, when i spoke with a bally
representative he claimed its to catch cheaters. He had a machine
opened up and showed me the cameras he then took a card out while it was opened and turned it on. the shuffler started shuffling and then stopped. Sure enough, on the screen popped up the 8 of hearts the card that the rep. was holding. THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO CATCH CHEATERS I AGREE, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE THIS ALSO A GREAT WAY TO TRICK US ALL. THE MACHINES CAN READ THE CARDS PEOPLE! RED FLAG!

2. I then asked the rep. can this machine only play 1 game? The rep.
said oh no this game can be remotely programmed to play any game the user desires. IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED PEOPLE!THEREFORE IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED AND PLACE ANY CARD WHERE IT CHOOSES.THINK ABOUT IT.
IT CAN GIVE YOU THE BEST LOOKING HAND MAKING YOU THINK THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY OF LOSING. SO YOU GO ALL IN,EITHER PRE FLOP WITH YOUR ACES OR KINGS OR AFTER THE FLOP, ON THE TURN, OR THE RIVER! ONLY TO LOSE ALL
YOUR CHIPS TO SOME DONKEY HAND.THE ARGUMENT I HAVE WITH OTHER PLAYERS IS WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS WHEN WE ARE ALL PLAYING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
WELL........ LETS JUST THROW OUT ONE REMARK THAT THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. HAVE YOU EVER MET ANYONE THAT CLAIMS THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY? In my opinion the main reason they dictate the cards is for JACKPOTS! YOU KNOW FOR SURE THESE CASINOS HATE PAYING OUT THE JACKPOTS. WITH THESE MACHINES THEY CAN DECIDE WHEN AND WHAT SEATS HIT AND HAVE THEIR PLAYER OR PLAYERS COLLECT THE PURSE. THAT'S A NO BRAINER! one casino i have played at there is this old man who has hit the jackpot over 30 times while others that have played there just as much never hit it once. Hes just real lucky that's all! Another argument is they cant do that they will get caught by the gaming commission. They monitor all the casinos. How are they going to catch them its impossible to prove.

4.ON SEVERAL INSTANCES THE SHUFFLERS JAM UP AND STOP WORKING. SO WHY AT THAT POINT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A NEW MACHINE TO BE IN LIKE MOST OF THEM DO, WHY DON'T THEY START SHUFFLING AND DEAL THE CARDS. THEY ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING MORE DROPS IN? YET YOU SIT AND WAIT FOR THEM TO REPLACE THE SHUFFLE-MASTER WITH ANOTHER ONE.
5. DON'T YOU THINK THAT ITS STRANGE HOW THE W.S.O.P. DOESN'T USE THESE MACHINES. THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, WOULDN'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO GET THROUGH THE HANDS WITH MUCH FASTER AND
WITH A RANDOM NUMBER SHUFFLE THEN HAND SHUFFLED.

6.STRANGE HOW YOU ASK THE DEALER TO HAND SHUFFLE JUST THIS ONE TIME. SO THE DEALER HAND SHUFFLES THE CARDS. THEN THEY PROCEED TO PUT THE DECK IN THE SHUFFLERS,INSTEAD OF CUTTING THE DECK AND DEALING THEM OUT. WTF! WHATS THE POINT IN THAT.
I JUST RECENTLY CAME ACROSS THESE SMALL SIT N GO'S 10 PLAYERS WINNER TAKES ALL. WITH A 50$ BUY IN. TO MY SURPRISE ITS RUN WITHOUT THE SHUFFLERS. LOW AND BEHOLD I WIN THESE TABLES ON A PERCENTAGE LEVEL EXACTLY WHAT STATISTICS STATE WE SHOULD GO FIGURE. FUNNY THING IS I SPOKE WITH FLOOR MAN WHO RUNS IT OUTSIDE IN THE SMOKING AREA. I ASKED WHY DONT THEY RUN THESE GAMES ALL THE TIME AS IT IS NOW ITS ONLY FROM 330 TO 600PM MON-FRI. HE SAYS "THEY REALLY DONT LIKE THIS FORMAT, THEY WONT EVEN LET ME ADVERTISE IT, THEY CLAIM THAT THIS TOURNY GETS IN THE WAY OF BIGGER TOURNYS" REALLY! THERE ARE AT LEAST 40 TABLES RIGHT NEXT TO US THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN USED WHY CANT WE PLAY THERE? THEN HE SAYS " WELL THIS TYPE OF TOURNY IS NOT PROFITABLE FOR THEM. THEY WANT YOU OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE PLAYING THE LIVE CASH GAMES" WHERE THEY USE THE SHUFFLERS.

7.ANOTHER PERSON REPLIED THEY CANT DO THAT BECAUSE PLAYERS WOULD EVENTUALLY FIND OUT AND STOP PLAYING AT THE CASINO. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND OUT? YOU ARE NOT! NO WAY REALLY TO PROVE THIS.

8.Now are we to be trusting knowing if we know its impossible to prove that these poker rooms/casinos are not going to cheat us, we all know they dictate the slot machines, that's been proven. no chance in hell they would do that for the table games. not just poker which is far more complex then other table games like blackjack, baccarat, or 3 card poker etc..... I'm sorry fellas they are for sure. This is a big deal when it comes down to it. I would think by having just these few red flags that something could be done to blackball these cheats. The house is already favored without these machines. am i really asking too much? They already make a killing in profit. They don't need more drops per hour.
9. Why not offer both hand shuffled and auto-shuffled, I wonder how many players would pick the auto-shuffler because i know players like the shuffle master better.
10.hAS ANYONE BEEN TO A CASINO WHERE THEY ARE HAVING A HIGH HAND PER HOUR THE PLAYER WITH THE HIGHEST WINS EVERY HOUR. aLL OF SUDDEN PLAYERS ARE GETTING 4 OF A KIND STRAIGHT FLUSHES. BY THE END OF THE HOUR THE TOP 5 PLAYERS ARE QQQQ KKKK AAAA OR HIGHER.
If anyone has any insight on why this continues in all the casinos, or
any factual rebuttals, i would love to hear from you. As it stands right now for me i don't play with these machines anymore only
hand shuffled games which are only tournaments. being in southern
California there is only one casino that i have come across that has hand shuffled cash games and it a small casino with 1 table. A 2/4 limit with everyone in on every hand.
We already have the game to play which naturally has its highs and lows and wows and excitement of possibilities, NATURALLY!!!!!! We now have to wonder if this is even possible! Most of who reads this i will assume will think its preposterous, a made up idea coming from a paranoid player who has had little success at this game, and granted i completely understand and because i have felt that way may times. Here is the way i look at it, if there is even the smallest chance that this is a possibility then i would rather these greedy places hand-shuffle every game and eliminate that chance of literally stealing our money and taking the pure enjoyment out of the game or games we all love to play. How many red flags do you want to have weighing against you before you stop and realize these are machines are making suckers out of all of us.
my paranoid mind might just help us all down the road. Just do me favor fellow poker friends, when you play with the machines next time pay attention to what i have been paranoid about. its really not that complex to stack the deck. especially a mathematical genius like a computer. also did you notice when they swap the machines out when they jam up. pay attention its not only a shuffler, Its a mini computer with a computer fan and a switch with a hard drive! its programmable! trust that ! i simply just don't play with them anymore! its a bummer though, because where i live there isn't one live cash game that is hand shuffled. morongo was the only one left that was hand shuffled, but guess what last month they shut down their poker room to revamp it and make it bigger they claim. funny thing is its the same exact size it has always been. The only difference is they now too only use these shufflers. go figure. Now why on earth didn't they post that when they claimed it was to make the room bigger. the room is the same size people! if it was to put in tables for these so called legit shufflers then why didn't they just say that. anyways.... hope this helps.we should ban these stupid machines for good. i know i know keep dreaming there bucko! THE STRANGEST PART OF THIS ALL IS THESE CASINOS HAVE US ALL WRAPPED AROUND THEIR FINGERS. WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE THE BIGGEST CHEATERS WHEN IT COMES TO THE SLOT MACHINES, BUT NOT AT THE TABLE GAMES! THEY ARE COMPLETELY HONEST. THEY DONT NEED THESE SHUFFLERS, WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS POSSIBILITY, WHATS STUPID IS ITS ANOTHER "WHAT IF " THAT WE MUST CONSIDER. DONT WE HAVE ENOUGH OTHER POSSIBILITIES TO WORRY ABOUT. WHY CANT THEY LET US PLAY THIS GAME FAIR AND SQUARE. WE PLAY THIS GAME BECAUSE WE ALL ENJOY IT. MAKES ME SICK TO THINK ITS ALL A TRICK PLAYED ON US. WHAT A JOKE. WAKE UP PEOPLE
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I HEARD THE ROULETTE DEALER HAS BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH HE KNOWS EXACTLY HOW TO MAKE THE BALL GO AROUND 20.5 REVOLUTIONS AND THEN LAND IT +/- 2 SPOTS FROM A PREDETERMINED TARGET. THE PROBLEM IS THE EYE IN THE SKY REMOTELY CONTROLS THE WHEEL, NOT THE BALL, SO IT'S NOT THE DEALER'S FAULT.
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For the longest time I have been debating with other players about
these so-called random number generators machines that for some reason everyone believes they are legit. These machines cost over $10,000 for each unit not to just to be completely random. There are other features that make these much more valuable. Also Most All machines are owned by bally and they mainly rent the machines out at a monthly rate to each casino.
these machines have the ability to read every card while shuffling and they can be remotely programmed to play different card games. Each machine has 2 different cameras inside!
They claim the reason they use these machines is to get more hands
dealt. Each time a hand is dealt the house gets a few dollars for their
cut.The machines shuffle a deck while game is in play, so when one hand is done the dealer just loads the machine back up with the deck just played, while grabbing the other deck that's been shuffled.
Can anyone answer any of these red flags because i have asked the
dealers the floor man the pit boss and not one have answered any.

1. Why do they have 2 cameras inside, when i spoke with a bally
representative he claimed its to catch cheaters. He had a machine
opened up and showed me the cameras he then took a card out while it was opened and turned it on. the shuffler started shuffling and then stopped. Sure enough, on the screen popped up the 8 of hearts the card that the rep. was holding. THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO CATCH CHEATERS I AGREE, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE THIS ALSO A GREAT WAY TO TRICK US ALL. THE MACHINES CAN READ THE CARDS PEOPLE! RED FLAG!

2. I then asked the rep. can this machine only play 1 game? The rep.
said oh no this game can be remotely programmed to play any game the user desires. IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED PEOPLE!THEREFORE IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED AND PLACE ANY CARD WHERE IT CHOOSES.THINK ABOUT IT.
IT CAN GIVE YOU THE BEST LOOKING HAND MAKING YOU THINK THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY OF LOSING. SO YOU GO ALL IN,EITHER PRE FLOP WITH YOUR ACES OR KINGS OR AFTER THE FLOP, ON THE TURN, OR THE RIVER! ONLY TO LOSE ALL
YOUR CHIPS TO SOME DONKEY HAND.THE ARGUMENT I HAVE WITH OTHER PLAYERS IS WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS WHEN WE ARE ALL PLAYING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
WELL........ LETS JUST THROW OUT ONE REMARK THAT THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. HAVE YOU EVER MET ANYONE THAT CLAIMS THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY? In my opinion the main reason they dictate the cards is for JACKPOTS! YOU KNOW FOR SURE THESE CASINOS HATE PAYING OUT THE JACKPOTS. WITH THESE MACHINES THEY CAN DECIDE WHEN AND WHAT SEATS HIT AND HAVE THEIR PLAYER OR PLAYERS COLLECT THE PURSE. THAT'S A NO BRAINER! one casino i have played at there is this old man who has hit the jackpot over 30 times while others that have played there just as much never hit it once. Hes just real lucky that's all! Another argument is they cant do that they will get caught by the gaming commission. They monitor all the casinos. How are they going to catch them its impossible to prove.

4.ON SEVERAL INSTANCES THE SHUFFLERS JAM UP AND STOP WORKING. SO WHY AT THAT POINT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A NEW MACHINE TO BE IN LIKE MOST OF THEM DO, WHY DON'T THEY START SHUFFLING AND DEAL THE CARDS. THEY ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING MORE DROPS IN? YET YOU SIT AND WAIT FOR THEM TO REPLACE THE SHUFFLE-MASTER WITH ANOTHER ONE.
5. DON'T YOU THINK THAT ITS STRANGE HOW THE W.S.O.P. DOESN'T USE THESE MACHINES. THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, WOULDN'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO GET THROUGH THE HANDS WITH MUCH FASTER AND
WITH A RANDOM NUMBER SHUFFLE THEN HAND SHUFFLED.

6.STRANGE HOW YOU ASK THE DEALER TO HAND SHUFFLE JUST THIS ONE TIME. SO THE DEALER HAND SHUFFLES THE CARDS. THEN THEY PROCEED TO PUT THE DECK IN THE SHUFFLERS,INSTEAD OF CUTTING THE DECK AND DEALING THEM OUT. WTF! WHATS THE POINT IN THAT.
I JUST RECENTLY CAME ACROSS THESE SMALL SIT N GO'S 10 PLAYERS WINNER TAKES ALL. WITH A 50$ BUY IN. TO MY SURPRISE ITS RUN WITHOUT THE SHUFFLERS. LOW AND BEHOLD I WIN THESE TABLES ON A PERCENTAGE LEVEL EXACTLY WHAT STATISTICS STATE WE SHOULD GO FIGURE. FUNNY THING IS I SPOKE WITH FLOOR MAN WHO RUNS IT OUTSIDE IN THE SMOKING AREA. I ASKED WHY DONT THEY RUN THESE GAMES ALL THE TIME AS IT IS NOW ITS ONLY FROM 330 TO 600PM MON-FRI. HE SAYS "THEY REALLY DONT LIKE THIS FORMAT, THEY WONT EVEN LET ME ADVERTISE IT, THEY CLAIM THAT THIS TOURNY GETS IN THE WAY OF BIGGER TOURNYS" REALLY! THERE ARE AT LEAST 40 TABLES RIGHT NEXT TO US THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN USED WHY CANT WE PLAY THERE? THEN HE SAYS " WELL THIS TYPE OF TOURNY IS NOT PROFITABLE FOR THEM. THEY WANT YOU OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE PLAYING THE LIVE CASH GAMES" WHERE THEY USE THE SHUFFLERS.

7.ANOTHER PERSON REPLIED THEY CANT DO THAT BECAUSE PLAYERS WOULD EVENTUALLY FIND OUT AND STOP PLAYING AT THE CASINO. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND OUT? YOU ARE NOT! NO WAY REALLY TO PROVE THIS.

8.Now are we to be trusting knowing if we know its impossible to prove that these poker rooms/casinos are not going to cheat us, we all know they dictate the slot machines, that's been proven. no chance in hell they would do that for the table games. not just poker which is far more complex then other table games like blackjack, baccarat, or 3 card poker etc..... I'm sorry fellas they are for sure. This is a big deal when it comes down to it. I would think by having just these few red flags that something could be done to blackball these cheats. The house is already favored without these machines. am i really asking too much? They already make a killing in profit. They don't need more drops per hour.
9. Why not offer both hand shuffled and auto-shuffled, I wonder how many players would pick the auto-shuffler because i know players like the shuffle master better.
10.hAS ANYONE BEEN TO A CASINO WHERE THEY ARE HAVING A HIGH HAND PER HOUR THE PLAYER WITH THE HIGHEST WINS EVERY HOUR. aLL OF SUDDEN PLAYERS ARE GETTING 4 OF A KIND STRAIGHT FLUSHES. BY THE END OF THE HOUR THE TOP 5 PLAYERS ARE QQQQ KKKK AAAA OR HIGHER.
If anyone has any insight on why this continues in all the casinos, or
any factual rebuttals, i would love to hear from you. As it stands right now for me i don't play with these machines anymore only
hand shuffled games which are only tournaments. being in southern
California there is only one casino that i have come across that has hand shuffled cash games and it a small casino with 1 table. A 2/4 limit with everyone in on every hand.
We already have the game to play which naturally has its highs and lows and wows and excitement of possibilities, NATURALLY!!!!!! We now have to wonder if this is even possible! Most of who reads this i will assume will think its preposterous, a made up idea coming from a paranoid player who has had little success at this game, and granted i completely understand and because i have felt that way may times. Here is the way i look at it, if there is even the smallest chance that this is a possibility then i would rather these greedy places hand-shuffle every game and eliminate that chance of literally stealing our money and taking the pure enjoyment out of the game or games we all love to play. How many red flags do you want to have weighing against you before you stop and realize these are machines are making suckers out of all of us.
my paranoid mind might just help us all down the road. Just do me favor fellow poker friends, when you play with the machines next time pay attention to what i have been paranoid about. its really not that complex to stack the deck. especially a mathematical genius like a computer. also did you notice when they swap the machines out when they jam up. pay attention its not only a shuffler, Its a mini computer with a computer fan and a switch with a hard drive! its programmable! trust that ! i simply just don't play with them anymore! its a bummer though, because where i live there isn't one live cash game that is hand shuffled. morongo was the only one left that was hand shuffled, but guess what last month they shut down their poker room to revamp it and make it bigger they claim. funny thing is its the same exact size it has always been. The only difference is they now too only use these shufflers. go figure. Now why on earth didn't they post that when they claimed it was to make the room bigger. the room is the same size people! if it was to put in tables for these so called legit shufflers then why didn't they just say that. anyways.... hope this helps.we should ban these stupid machines for good. i know i know keep dreaming there bucko! THE STRANGEST PART OF THIS ALL IS THESE CASINOS HAVE US ALL WRAPPED AROUND THEIR FINGERS. WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE THE BIGGEST CHEATERS WHEN IT COMES TO THE SLOT MACHINES, BUT NOT AT THE TABLE GAMES! THEY ARE COMPLETELY HONEST. THEY DONT NEED THESE SHUFFLERS, WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS POSSIBILITY, WHATS STUPID IS ITS ANOTHER "WHAT IF " THAT WE MUST CONSIDER. DONT WE HAVE ENOUGH OTHER POSSIBILITIES TO WORRY ABOUT. WHY CANT THEY LET US PLAY THIS GAME FAIR AND SQUARE. WE PLAY THIS GAME BECAUSE WE ALL ENJOY IT. MAKES ME SICK TO THINK ITS ALL A TRICK PLAYED ON US. WHAT A JOKE. WAKE UP PEOPLE
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