he's joking it actually means "dünner fauler kopf"

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I believe that the shuffle master and aremanth software can manipulate the "predetermined" outcome of the cards. I am a baccarat player. Have been for 40 years. So you know I am old(60). It has been said that the hand shuffle, with the help of the dealer, a hand shuffle can be set to a predetermined out come, just like shuffle master advertises. I understand that casinos are concerned with cheaters. They are everywhere. Teams in the poker room, not saying they are cheating. It's human nature to cheat. Agreed. Now a word about casino cheating. Does anybody remember when the gulf coast casinos were caught programming the slot chips? The gaming commission fined each of them $250,k. The rake was $1 Billion. So they paid. One day I was playing at an off strip casino. Friday night. I noticed that the casino manager was at the main terminal, with 2 guys who started keying data on the touch screen. I found it odd. Then I went to three different tables, lost 5 straight hands, on 3 separate tables. Can anybody calculate the odds of that, on a 50/50 game!!!!!!!! The casino can and does manipulate the deck. No BS. They cheat!!!! When I gamble Monday through Thursday I always win. Friday and Saturday it seems I lose or break even. And I am not the only seasoned player who has noticed the disparity. I have known some of these players for 20 years. Also, they remark how strange their own experiences are. Now I am sure one can say I am whining about my losing. Darn tooting! Also, the new card decks are no longer fanned, so the player can confirm all the cards are there, suit and rank. Since the casino "drop" is truly down, I believe that the casino, especially publicly traded stock casinos, will do anything and everything to maintain their shareholder value. Look for yourself, the majority of of gaming stocks are down significantly. I know, I own two of these stocks. So please reply. Am I stupid? A loser just whining? Chime in!

I agree. You're stupid.

Your entire post lost all its credibilites due to this paragraph.

Looking to buy 10 if you have that many in stock.

Do I get any discount buying in bulk?

They have deals here:

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Heres my understanding of this whole topic from reading this far in the thread...

1) In patents, you describe all possible uses your invention might have even if that is not what it is going to inevitably do
2) The inventor of the DeckMate Shuffler realized with the right software (and possibly tweaks to the hardware), the invention could be used to "pre-configure" a deck of cards
3) OP thinks that possible = certainty . This is obviously not the case and I could come up with a dozen examples to show that.
4) Casino's are actually losing money by offering poker games. That floor real estate would yield a far higher income from additional slot machines / table games.
5) The house doesn't benefit from rigging poker games. I think I can safely say that prop players are a thing of the past.
6) A casino is a business that has the license to print money. They don't need to rig any of their games to profit from them.

I could say a lot of other stuff but I think that will suffice for now.

All poker is rigged. Why else would there be so many bad beats?

Because when you spank your little bone, Jesus is watching.

On point 5, prop players are still quie common, however, the house does not benefit from "rigging" a poker game even if it wre possible.

On point 4, this is not necessarily true - in Los Angeles, there are rooms with hundreds of poker table and zero slot machines that do quite well indeed.


The reason casinos lease these very expensive machines is to increase the number of hands played per hour - more hands = more hourly rake.

In LA, a casino is taking in around $200 per hour per table in rake.

I didn't mean actually losing money on the poker tables. Lets say in your example that each poker table is raking $200/hour and if that area was slot machines instead it generates $250/hour then the casino is "losing" $50/hour. That also doesn't take into account that the only "real" cost of a slot machine might be general maintenance. In reality, the casino is probably losing far more than $50/hour in our example.

I wouldn't have thought prop players are very common anymore due to the popularity of poker in general.

slots make more than poker tables but the casino cant put in all slots and needs other games to compliment the slots and make it a destination.

casinos dont cheat generally. but people playing there and some employees will if they can find a viable way to. it is up to the customers to help make sure procedures are in place that protect them or they are going to end up sorry.

Shufflemaster is rigged but you can confuse by

I hope the regulators are checking theses machines like they do the slot machines.

Mr Bump will unban???

I'm very curious if they (either ameranth or shufflemaster) ever gave you an answer to this? Thanks in advance

why the **** wasn't this the last post in this ridiculous thread

One of the local LHE rooms here hit the bad beat something like 3 times in 2 weeks. The order came down from management for dealers to scramble the cards before putting them in the Shufflemaster.

I would love to get the chance to ask the suits why they're paying big bucks to use Shufflemasters if they don't trust them.

Today I was playing and the flop came out 955. Nothing unusual, that's fine. Three hands later, the flop came out 955. What are the odds of that happening. I did the math, it's 52*51*50*52*51*50 = 1 in 17 billion. Something 1 in 17 billion happening every 3 hands. No way that is not rigged.

Haha, nice level, but for the lurkers, that's not even close to the right way to do the math.

Well Josh,

Last night I witnessed one of your card shufflers sort the deck in 28 seconds. What I mean by sort the deck is it put each card into numerical order by suit as if it were a brand-new deck. The reason for this was a player at the table had a discrepancy with the deck. The floor was called over the floor manager then put the cards into the shuffler and it sorted the deck in 28 seconds. Having witnessed that I feel your claim as to the shuffler not recognizing suits or numerical values is 100% false.

This took place at Maryland live casino.

Edgelooker1 kindly asked for my opinion on this so for what its worth:

I don't think a formal conspiracy involving shufflemaster and the casinos is very likely. The apparently lack of any card recognition device would tend to rule it out, and even then the sheer numbers of people that would be involved would probably make it impractical. Large conspiracies tend to fall apart as it becomes exponentially more likely to produce a whistle-blower.

In short, SM are probably telling the truth about their patent.

That said, I'm not entirely convinced by the integrity of these machines. There are several issues in this thread that concern me:

1) The comment earlier in the thread by Alien boy concerning the inability of the SM to reverse the order of the deck hits the knuckle on the head. I keep hearing this assertion from high-level AP's playing numerous different machine-dealt games. These are people who understand standard deviation and can recognize what is and is not statistically abnormal.

2) People keep referring to the cut as an anti-cheating measure. Texts by cheating experts such as Darwin Ortiz seem to believe the cut is simply a minor inconvenience that can be worked around quite easily by a competent dealer. Peope don't cut anything like randomly even without coercion.

3) I'm concern about the labelling of people as "conspiracy theorists" or the "tin-hat foil brigade". We live in a world where countries go to war on the basis of fabricated intelligence, the Catholic church systematically hid child abuse on an industrial scale, and the banks gambled everyone's money away. We are living in a world where a number conspiracies have been proven.

We've also just had two major conspiracies in the poker and online casino world exposed, it is not as if this sort of thing never occurs.

Thank you GBV.