If his reporting is accurate as to the card-sensing and ordering function, then he has something worth mentioning.

The described card sensor/ordering functionality is precisely the sort of exploitable design flaw that cropped up in AP and UB software.

There IS a remedy .... Someone, anyone, should file a complaint with the Nevada Gaming Control Board, pointing out the potential for stacking a deck automatically. That nonsense about ordering a deck to check at the end of a shift is just that .... It is outweighed by the danger of stacking.

FWIW, the Gaming Control Board will investigate and this is the type of lfaw they love to bust equipment makers chops on.

I've been with you a little bit till now. "Most all " games in poker are not time raked. You statement is absolutely wrong and preposterous.

You could be right about the shuffle master but I doubt it. The number of people who would have to keep quiet across all the casinos for a 1% pop in poker revenue would not happen.

Now this does not say that dirty management at a certain casino would try and do this.

I also can't believe you have spent so much time in this thread. At the levels you play cheating or reducing action with a shuffle master should be the last of your worries.

A dealer workning with another player or management could crush you easily with or without a shuffle master. They could put in a cold deck into the shuffle master and have it turn on , but not do any shuffling.

If you want a hand dealt game a dealer can make your opponents hole cards come up on the board next hand very easily.

Imagine your cheats/management picking up 2 or 3 big pots against you in 100/200 PLO over an 8 hour session. This would prob. only involve 5 people instead of the whole poker room and provide a lot more bang for the buck.

This stuff isn't theory. It happens. It happened in the room I used to play at in the big game. And nothing happens to the cheater except he is banned from that one room. They just move on to another room. There are guys playing in major events who have been banned from certain rooms for cheating.

OP,

All I have to say is.....your an idiot

Epic Fail!

Topset, I havent played in a raked game in 4 years & Ive played all over the country, All major pokerrooms use time rake now, Bellagio, Wynn, Venetian, Commerce, Harrahs in New Orleans, Beau Rivage in Biloxi, Hell I cant think of one that dont.

Huh.

I played at Bellagio, Wynn, Venetian recently, and I play at Commerce EVERY WEEK.

No time charges except in the highest stakes games.

At commerce, at least at 20/40 limit and below, I know for a fact it is rake and not a time charge. I haven't played to 40/80 and above, so I cannot comment there.

Not sure why I'm bothering to post any further in this thread, as OP is obv:

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OP you need to report this to http://www.mgc.state.ms.us/

This way they can laugh at you too.

Milton, I actually talked to the Nevada Gaming Commission about this a few months ago, It was really funny because I got a guy from technology department & he didnt have a clue as to how this machined worked. He told me he just wasnt sure about the deckmate shuffler, he did tell me that they had to check the chips of some of the machines to make sure the RNG was random, but also said the casino could change them if they wanted to so it would be hard to detect anything fishy. I was amazed at the lack of knowledge of the machines, he didnt even really know that the deckmate was the poker shuffler. He was asking me questions about them.

Alien, what are you talking about. All those places have a time drop every 30 minutes, Commerce 10 20NL & 20 40NL definately do because I played there during the LA poker classic, bellagio 10 20NL 25 50 or 50 100NL do as well. wynn , Venetian, they all have time drops . As a matter of fact at commerce they play a time pot in the 20 40 NL & sometimes in 10 20NL. there is no rake

Commerce 20/40 limit and below is rake not time.


AB

Well, you made two points. One was that it's scary that shuffling is happening out of sight, and that the machines could theoretically stack the deck. The other one was that you've "known for a long time," that shuffle machines were somehow less fair than hand shuffles, and that they may be used to produce "non-action" hands. One of those points is valid, and one of them is pretty much bat**** insane.

[ ] Knows the difference between "your" and "you're"
[X] Fail

[ ] OP is Kirill Gerasimov

wait they have shuffle machines now!!!!! lol jk(or am i?)

Live poker rigged? Impossible. Only happens to online poker, right? RIGHT? (At least that what we've been told for years.)

http://www.worldpokertour.com/Shared...e_Costner.aspx ?

OP, are there also sensors hooked up to each chair so the shuffle machine knows how many players are being dealt into the hand? Are there sensors hooked up to it telling it what game is being dealt so that it knows whether to deal you a Hold'em cooler or an Omaha cooler? Are there sensors hooked into the dealer's brain predicting exactly where he'll cut the deck?

Just for the record, since I didn't see anyone address this point specifically -- in most cases that slot is just a mirror that is angled so that the dealer can tell if the card is an ace or a face (depending on which way they put the card into the mirror: horizontally or vertically). There is of course card reading technology, I'm just pointing out that (in most cases) this is not what is going on with the slot on a BJ table.

The cutting of the deck is a nice protection. I don't see how that can be done online, where a tracker may not offer enough protection.

I was dealing last week and after 13 consecutive chopped blinds, the player in seat 5 told me to stop cutting the deck in the middle. He told me to cut a little higher or lower. I did that next hand and the action was unbelievable, AA vs. KK vs QQ one hand, and set over set over set the next hand. Whenever my buddy is in the big blind I cut the deck in the middle where the deckmate shows me and he gets to chop his blind. I do notice that this only seems to happen when the game is full, when I deal someone out the action is always hella crazy.

The "your" is more simple, but it likely breaks against the rules of what a word can contain.

"Your" is more "simple"? How about more "simple minded".


"You're" is a contraction that means "YOU ARE".

"Your" is NOT, and further "your" does NOT mean "you are". "Your" means something completely different, it means "an item associated with or belonging to you".



If you use "your" when you meant "you are" then you are mistaken. Here is an example of the correct usage of these words:


You're ******ed because of your use of the word "your".




AB

your wish is granted!

this thread is lol

lol @ comparing casinos to enron

and even greater lol @ comparing casinos to Absolute and Ultimatebutt

the "they wont cheat you because there is too much to lose" argument actually holds water here, because they do have something to lose...

the casino control commission in AC and the NGC in Nevada will shut the casinos doors if the games are proven to be unfair...

so the casinos rigging poker games, where they really dont care the outcome, because the rake is the same, are risking billions and billions of dollars in profits from square games to deal "action hands" or to keep their "whales" happy?

honestly some of the most ******ed logic i've ever heard


Absolute/UB != Legal, USA based casinos.... DUCY?

lol @ assuming you can trust the gaming commission. i'm sure they're not looking out for the casino's best interests at all...

For the op;

When the dealer glares at me and holds down the button for more than two seconds, is that when they are giving me the doomswitch, as I've always suspected?

I'm pretty unimpressed by Biloxi's posts. I care very little about how much he's won -- and I kind of think he's FOS. If i won that kind of money playing poker i'd keep pretty quiet about it.

I also have to say I'm even less impressed by Biloxi's critics on this subject. A lot of posters on this thread spewed without even bothering to read the patent for the machine. For all of you that claim the shuffling machine is impossible to rig, i think you should spend some time reading things a little more complex that Spider-Man and USA Today.

Does anyone know whether or not the shuffle machines are regulated/tested at all by the gaming commissions in the various states? I think this is a legitimate topic that should be something worth considering by B&M players.

I don't think that the autoshufflers are rigged. Having read the patent, I do think that it's possible to rig them.

I think it's funny that so many posters hooted down Biloxi. Apparently they are fine with the autoshufflers but the same people would never play a PokerTek table.

BTW, I think it's hilarious that so many posters really came down hard on Biloxi about the shufflemasters but would never