Thoughts on this

Patent 6651982, Open an account at freepatentsonline (FREE) & research this patent. Have to have account for full view, download PDF form.

Most poker players will find it interesting that the shufflemaster deckmate doesnt actually shuffle the cards, It sorts them based on software instructions that are sent to the machines microprocessor. In other words as far as the shuffle is concerned its like playing online. They can be controlled by RNG or set to deal the cards in any order desired by whoever programs the software. Machines have card recognition (suit & rank) which the computer program uses to sort the cards in a predetermined (nonrandom) order.

Ive known myself for years that the machines didnt deal the same as handshuffled games, but now have the info in hand of how they actually work. It seems as though non-action hands are dealt on the shufflemaster, I believe to keep players from going broke to maintain playerbase. Also a company called ameranth wireless recently partnered with shufflemaster to make software for the deckmate, this is part of their poker management solutions, sounds like they are developing software to help pokerrooms keep players rather than deal random cards. This is scary stuff along with the new electronic poker tables which I'll never play.

There is a fellow playing at CAZ's 20 game for the past month or so who says that his career is in casino security. Just the other day he got to talking about the shufflemasters and said that if anybody thought that they were random shuffles or they that couldn't arrange the deck then they had another think coming and should look at the patent. You wouldn't be that fellow would you?

Dealer cuts the deck manually at the start of every deal.

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on the other hand, diebold voting machines are definitely rigged..

they do cut the deck when it comes out of the shufflemaster.

I did hear that the shufflemaster can "see" the cards, and theoretically somebody could tell the machine to put x card in position y so certain hands are dealt to certain places.

When they stop cutting the deck when they come out of the shufflemaster you should worry.

wow the responses in this thread are going to be so much fun to read...please Kevmath, NO LOCK HERE

The new shufflers they are putting in the pit have card recognition capabilities. But these are the newest machines and as far as I know they are not used in the deckmates (the machines used in poker).

Without card recognition capoapbility it is imposisble to rig the machines.

When the cards are put in they are in random order, there is no way for it to know the identity of each card. It might be able to be programed to take the 10th card down and make it the first and so on but for it to stack the deck to deal a certain had is impossible.

I doubt this is true, but I did always think that Texas Hold'Em bonus game was rigged

[x] OP' brain could be rigged

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So.................

Does the shufflemaster take into account the cut?

Does the shufflemaster take into account how many players are playing at the time? Not thinking too deeply, it seems a hand is going to play a lot different with 10 players as opposed to <10.

Does OP have a brain?

Thats what player cards are for, so the shufflemaster knows how many people are at the table. Plus Chairman level players get better cards(gotta keep the whales happy)

No need to signup for any site, Google has the info here:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=RuU...BAJ&dq=6651982

I only glimpsed through the doc but in my opinon, it's software doesn't have any kind of pattern recognition software built in to actually identify the cards. It also doesn't have any kind of mechanism for gripping holding cards into the correct order. Essentially the machine would have to

1) Make an initial pass through the deck to determine what order the deck is in.
2) DetRermine which set of cards to place based on the # of players
2a) This seems more difficult even at tables that electronically track who is sitting down mainly because you also have to account for people who go on smoke breaks and miss the hand.
3) Reorder the cards in the deck. The hardware would need some mechanism to hold a card in place until it got to its predetermined order. This seems way more difficult when you imagine how many passes it would require if the machine could only grip one card while also keeping track of the card order.

Not that I am usually up for this conspiracy theory stuff, but, it would worry me more in B&M than online because of the lack of adequate database software in the live setting. Without poker tracker, how can you prove its not a rigged shuffle live? It would be 10X harder to get accurate stats, if not impossible.

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I play in biloxi as well. Please to be telling me where and what games you frequent.

Precisely !!!

I would never play at a joint that didn't cut the deck.

This simple act makes it all still random, also the fact that players sit out or leave randomly would make any conspiracy by the casino's void.

The machines do have card recognition technology, Its in the patent info. Also as far as the cut gos, The cut doesn't matter so much if they are separating cards to deal non action hands, but if you will notice when the deck comes out, there will be spots in the deck with protruding cards, most of the time 1 spot in the middle, & sometimes it will have 2 spots, 90% of the time the dealer will cut there. The machines put the cut card there. If they are looking to player retention strateies then this would be sufficient.

OMG! I NEW LIVE POKER WAS RIGGED BECAUSE FLUSHES NEVER GET THERE THAT OFTEN ONLINE!

Strongsauce, go back & read the full document, To do this you have to open account there & download in PDF form, you will also get diagrams, This machine definately has sensors & card recognition technology, Also calibratied to hold a card at tenths of the width of one card in order to put that card in the right place in the deck.

As far as the cut goes, It does, There is places for the dealer to cut, If youll notice when the deck rises from the machine there is usally a cut card in the middle, sometimes 2, watch, 85-90% of the time the deck is cut there. Although it wouldn't have to be cut there to deal non action hands to try & retain player base

Does it also have the ability to see how many players legs are beneath the table?? That way it can sort the appropriate cards based on the number of players at the table.... If two players are gone on a smoke break, then it has to adjust the sort...

The only recognition I'm aware of is how many cards are in the shuffler...

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Have you ever seen the inside of the machine and watched one work with the exterior casing off?

The cards pass through the rollers before anything could "sense" the rank and suit. Also, how does the machine know who the weaker players are, and keep them in action? I work at a place that has the machines at every table, and I assure you there is no shortage of action.

Also, how does the machine account for different game types? 2 card, 4 card, five card, stud variants?