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Old 07-25-2010, 08:41 AM   #101
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re: Rossa85 degens off 25k stake roll and disappears / [Resolved]

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I found Timo playing 3 handed with good regs at 5/10 6m on several tables.
Should have pulled the stake right there. He showed from the start he didn't respect your rules, didn't respect you, and wasn't to be trusted. Then after this you continue staking him after he "forgot" about the 10k a day stop loss? LOL! You gave someone you didn't know free money, acted like a sucker, and got burned.

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Old 07-25-2010, 08:53 AM   #102
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It seems like the whole theory behind staking is this guys a good player but he has no self control and always tilts his bankroll. So I'm going to give him a free bankroll he hasn't worked for, because he will surely not tilt this magical bankroll that isn't really his away. He can't stop himself from tilting his own money, but by God I know he'll control himself and not tilt mine.
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:09 AM   #103
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essen is just a few hour drive from here..

how much you offering on the dollar?
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:22 AM   #104
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:28 AM   #105
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wow cant hardly believe that rossa would do something like this, we chatted/played alot w/each other and he seemed like a real nice guy......

I wish you all the best OP with getting ur money back.
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:56 AM   #106
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He was online and played two days ago.
Wow, what? I've been checking ptr periodically but until this he hadn't played since the PLO incident.

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Jimmy, is there any indication that he chip dumped the money away?
Well, this depends on your definition. The PLO session he definitely was in degenerate mode, 3 betting 100% of hands, so essentially he did "give" the money away. I know this because one of the people he played that day came to me (thanks to doorbread) and told me what happened. He actually offered to buy me dinner as a nice gesture b/c he knew what had happened. So yes, Rossa did kind of chip dump, however it wasn't directed at a friend or anything.
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:05 AM   #107
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Again, to echo Jimmy's comments, you have zero idea of what you're talking about. Yeah, people get screwed staking. People also get screwed investing in the stock market. It's called risk. Look it up, understand what it is, then think about how it applies to staking.
There's risk and there's stupidity. Investing in the stock market is risky, staking a known degenerate is stupidity.

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Ahh, more great advice from your wealth of staking knowledge? Is this what you use to determine your vast stable of horses? If you'd read ANY of the thread at all instead of just opened it purely to jump in and flame someone, you'd know the OP knew the stakee very well and certainly can afford to lose $22k.
And if you actually understood what I wrote you would have realised that I wasn't talking about this particular case, but about staking in general. For example, forum member "imfromsweden" posted a thread about how he got stake scammed for 30k when his roll was only 50k.

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it's pretty low to say "why would you ever trust this guy with $25k" when OP is obviously not a complete moron when it comes to business/staking. obviously hindsight is 20/20 but i think OP deserves enough credit/sympathy for people not to say "LOL u should never have trusted the guy" when OP has more information wrt how trustworthy the guy is and has made his own mental calculations about the likelihood of getting bailed on etc.
This is ridiculous. OP knew that Rossa had busted his roll playing in -EV games and still decided to stake him. Whatever information OP had about Rossa's trustworthyness was obviously false.

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its kinda like if someone made a beat thread about how their alcoholic spouse stole $xxxx from them and people come in saying "shoulda never trusted that woman/man, you know he/she has a history of having a drinking problem"
Awful comparison. A spouse is someone you usually know in real life and have known for years. This was a case of sending an internet screenname thousands of dollars with no idea what the person is really like.

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This thread would really tilt the crap out of me with all the idiots who don't understand the concept of EV and don't understand how to think in a non-results oriented way, until I remember that those idiots all play poker too.

Mark
I'm happy to know that there are morons like you willing to stake any degenerate. These degenerates then come to my tables and lose your stake money to me. I also like the double meaning of your name, mark
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:31 AM   #108
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iaspistola... go troll eslewhere. you don't get it, we know.... but no need to make such a long post demonstrating you're total lack of understanding about this situation or staking in general. And comparing this to the IFS incident is just lol. get a grip.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:40 AM   #109
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iaspistola... go troll eslewhere.
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Old 07-25-2010, 12:36 PM   #110
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ha, good point.
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Old 07-25-2010, 03:34 PM   #111
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Another week, another moron of an OP gets scammed out of 10's of thousands of dollars by somebody he has never met in real life and can't believe it happened. How many times does this have to happen before people here cop on. When will people learn that you can trust nobody apart from family when it comes to large amounts of cash. Considering the amount of degeneracy and previous incidents in the poker community you would think poker players, more than anyone, would be wary of handing over cash to people they've never met....but no, they just do it again and again.

This was a ridiculous stake from start to finish. Handing over 25K in one go to a degen who you have never met and who has blew his own role in games where he had no edge. A degen who breaks the rules of the stake early on and sits in at a game he was not supposed to where he is the mark. Stake should have been pulled there and then when you see he can't abide be the rules and you already know he is a degen. Then the degen goes on to have a -18K session after he breaks the stop loss rule. And OP yet again shows what a naive fool he is by agreeing with this degen that he "legitimately forgotten about the stop loss agreement". This ROSSA85 dude is not some kind of braindead retard and a staking agreement is not some super complicated deal. One basic rule was a 10K stop-loss, he said he 'forgot' about this and OP believed him, give me a break, no wonder he was able to blow 25K of stake money when he was dealing with a staker like this.

As with all the other threads where people have been scammed the situation could have been avoided by following the one simple logical rule - only be willing to lend/stake family, or friends you have known for years IRL.
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Old 07-25-2010, 03:45 PM   #112
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Thanks for the help and support everyone I know Jim and I really appreciate it
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Old 07-25-2010, 04:08 PM   #113
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Another week, another moron of an OP gets scammed out of 10's of thousands of dollars by somebody he has never met in real life and can't believe it happened. How many times does this have to happen before people here cop on. When will people learn that you can trust nobody apart from family when it comes to large amounts of cash. Considering the amount of degeneracy and previous incidents in the poker community you would think poker players, more than anyone, would be wary of handing over cash to people they've never met....but no, they just do it again and again.

This was a ridiculous stake from start to finish. Handing over 25K in one go to a degen who you have never met and who has blew his own role in games where he had no edge. A degen who breaks the rules of the stake early on and sits in at a game he was not supposed to where he is the mark. Stake should have been pulled there and then when you see he can't abide be the rules and you already know he is a degen. Then the degen goes on to have a -18K session after he breaks the stop loss rule. And OP yet again shows what a naive fool he is by agreeing with this degen that he "legitimately forgotten about the stop loss agreement". This ROSSA85 dude is not some kind of braindead retard and a staking agreement is not some super complicated deal. One basic rule was a 10K stop-loss, he said he 'forgot' about this and OP believed him, give me a break, no wonder he was able to blow 25K of stake money when he was dealing with a staker like this.

As with all the other threads where people have been scammed the situation could have been avoided by following the one simple logical rule - only be willing to lend/stake family, or friends you have known for years IRL.
Ok... i'll bite and then leave this thread alone, we get it YOU WOULDN'T OF STAKED HIM.

These types of replies are moronic. Staking is all about risk reward and no doubt jimmy took that into consideration with this stake.

What everyone seems to be forgetting when they type "stupid op, you're always going to get scammed staking", is the fact that most people only ever hear about the stakees that do scam... not about the many many more times everything goes smoothly and the stakee makes both parties decent profits, and in most circumstances outweighing (monetary wise) the times the amounts the staker gets scammed.

If you yourself are not comfortable with staking anyone bar close friends and family then that is fine... but don't preach to others about the rights and wrongs of staking people outside of your inner circle. There are plenty of players and reasons as to why it is perfectly sensible. And there are plenty of stories of close friends and families ****ing each other over too.

Don't let the occasional bad incident close your mind as to why staking people who you don't know but come with decent references can be an extremely plus ev venture. If it wasn't there wouldn't be so many clever and successful players continuing to stake many many players (whilst still being scammed by the occasional degen/thief or retard).
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Old 07-25-2010, 04:18 PM   #114
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ofc. staking you take a risk but with the history of rossa85 wasnt the risk a little bit too big?
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Old 07-25-2010, 04:28 PM   #115
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well he was able to grid back to b/e in 2 days or something (according to the op)... so i suspect if this deal was for a large number of hands that it was big risk/big reward scenario.
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Old 07-25-2010, 04:28 PM   #116
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anticipating another batch of BBVtards to attack pontylad's post
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Old 07-25-2010, 05:11 PM   #117
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haha you and me both.
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Old 07-25-2010, 05:39 PM   #118
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who cares if he grinds it back to b/e in 2 days?

i understand staking is a risk but risk+background rossa85=fail ,just a matter of time
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Old 07-25-2010, 05:47 PM   #119
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Old 07-25-2010, 05:52 PM   #120
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:12 PM   #121
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So you guys think the stakee being caught early on playing in games he's not allowed to play, then running over twice the stop loss, still makes him a positive risk/reward investment? You think he's more likely to keep making money smoothly than going on tilt at games he's not supposed to play? Sucker/staker born every minute.
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:50 PM   #122
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So you guys think the stakee being caught early on playing in games he's not allowed to play, then running over twice the stop loss, still makes him a positive risk/reward investment? You think he's more likely to keep making money smoothly than going on tilt at games he's not supposed to play? Sucker/staker born every minute.
Yeah man. I think everyone gets it. Rossa85 was probably a bad horse. Now what the hell are you getting out of arguing this? Is all you're doing making fun of OP who has just lost $25 000 on a risky investment? Are you just being that kind of immature dick?
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:58 PM   #123
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There are a bunch of people arguing Rosa was a good stake and the staker didn't make a mistake creating or keeping the deal. That's what we're arguing. Give it a rest loser.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:26 PM   #124
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Guys, Jimmy made this thread to seek for help and possibly finding more informations. This whole discussion of wether or not Rossa was a good stake or not is pretty unnecessary.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:40 PM   #125
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Guys, Jimmy made this thread to seek for help and possibly finding more informations. This whole discussion of wether or not Rossa was a good stake or not is pretty unnecessary.
This, thank you.

Also, thanks for trying to defend me ponty, I appreciate you trying to back me up but there is truly no need. I have stopped responding to the troll posts, you should too. The peanut gallery is going to continue to chime in, I'm just going to ignore those posts.
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