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Old 07-24-2010, 04:32 AM   #51
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With thanksb on 2+2, we staked rossa85 on pokerstars (rossa1985 on 2+2). He is from Essen, Germany. I have decided not to post his full address.
Is this supposed to be funny? Given your information, I can find his full adress within seconds.

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Old 07-24-2010, 05:22 AM   #52
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It is obvious that he doesn't answer because he doesn't want to answer and not because he doesn't get the PM or IM.

And he only has 4 friends at studivz so i guess he already ripped off everyone else.
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:46 AM   #53
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so long as you dont out everything you know such as address you should get this money back - he is way too good to not make another 6 figures online and then he will pay you back just to clear his rep

dont see why u needed to out his irl name tho
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Old 07-24-2010, 06:13 AM   #54
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you should sleep more than 4 hours per day 4 is not enough
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Old 07-24-2010, 06:47 AM   #55
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Old 07-24-2010, 07:44 AM   #56
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One day he asked me if I were interested in staking him as he had blown his roll at 5/10 6m (which he wasn’t very good at) and heads up PLO (which by the looks of it he was awful at)
So you staked a guy who has a history of busting his roll and playing in games he is -EV in. Then you act surprised when he does it again.

I'm sorry but I can't feel bad for you. There have been dozens of cases like this and you should have learned from other peoples mistakes.

Don't stake anyone. In 99.9% of staking cases this is the correct decision, especially in cash game stakes. There's always a reason why someone needs a stake and most of the time it's because that person has money management issues and plays in -EV games.

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so long as you dont out everything you know such as address you should get this money back - he is way too good to not make another 6 figures online and then he will pay you back just to clear his rep

dont see why u needed to out his irl name tho
Are you serious? He is a busto degen who obviously doesn't have his own money to play with. The game has most likely passed him by and he can't deal with stress of poker anymore, hence the degenerate PLO sessions. Just because someone used to be a good winning player doesn't mean he will be one for the rest of his life.
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Old 07-24-2010, 08:21 AM   #57
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you should hide in his bin with a balaclava and a hammer

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Old 07-24-2010, 09:17 AM   #58
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Is this the guy with a silly clown avatar on stars, pretty sure i have watched him Hu a ton of times, what a degen not to stick to a game he crushes

Gl with getting your money back op
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Old 07-24-2010, 09:22 AM   #59
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How very unnecessary.

Hope everything works out and karma catches up with Rossa although reimbursement seems unlikely at this point.
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Old 07-24-2010, 09:26 AM   #60
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So you staked a guy who has a history of busting his roll and playing in games he is -EV in. Then you act surprised when he does it again.

I'm sorry but I can't feel bad for you. There have been dozens of cases like this and you should have learned from other peoples mistakes.

Don't stake anyone. In 99.9% of staking cases this is the correct decision, especially in cash game stakes. There's always a reason why someone needs a stake and most of the time it's because that person has money management issues and plays in -EV games.


Are you serious? He is a busto degen who obviously doesn't have his own money to play with. The game has most likely passed him by and he can't deal with stress of poker anymore, hence the degenerate PLO sessions. Just because someone used to be a good winning player doesn't mean he will be one for the rest of his life.
nice guy...

and the don't stake anyone comment is dumb, there are plenty of +ev spots for staking. And the game hasn't come near to passing rossa by... he just decided he wanted to be a retard.
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Old 07-24-2010, 10:13 AM   #61
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Is this the guy with a silly clown avatar on stars, pretty sure i have watched him Hu a ton of times, what a degen not to stick to a game he crushes

Gl with getting your money back op
Yea, he was the dude with the creepy clown avatar. I played with him once or twice a while ago briefly and talked with him a little and he seemed like a nice guy, but this is just ****ed up. Pretty sure ive seen him playing 10-20 hu several times, which I beleive was also not allowed in the staking agreement.

I would continue to try to contact him and give him a week or two to respond and if you dont hear anything, I would probably try to get word to him in person since you have his address.
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Old 07-24-2010, 11:22 AM   #62
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Sell the debt to someone who isnt afraid to use all measures of persuasion ldo.
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Old 07-24-2010, 11:23 AM   #63
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Essen is not that far away.

Shall I visit him for u ?
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:14 PM   #64
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So you staked a guy who has a history of busting his roll and playing in games he is -EV in. Then you act surprised when he does it again.

I'm sorry but I can't feel bad for you. There have been dozens of cases like this and you should have learned from other peoples mistakes.

Don't stake anyone. In 99.9% of staking cases this is the correct decision, especially in cash game stakes. There's always a reason why someone needs a stake and most of the time it's because that person has money management issues and plays in -EV games.


Are you serious? He is a busto degen who obviously doesn't have his own money to play with. The game has most likely passed him by and he can't deal with stress of poker anymore, hence the degenerate PLO sessions. Just because someone used to be a good winning player doesn't mean he will be one for the rest of his life.
lol at every paragraph in this post. Each one is more absurd than the next. This is the last troll post I will respond to.

1) every player who needs a stake needs one for a reason that makes them risky. It's the nature of the business.

2) sympathy. Not looking for it. Try reading the thread before you troll.

3) lol at the game passing him by. He is easily one of the best mid stakes HU regs on stars. The ptr post earlier indeed shows that I am down $10,000 to rossa. This is almost entirely from HU play and I am a 6pt winner starting tables this year.

I knew posting in BBV I would get a lot of troll posts, I did so anyways because it gets more traffic than other forums so I took a chance. I'm done defending myself, I don't mind the trolls I just want the posters of posts like this to realize they have no idea what they are talking about.

I will continue to read the thread, but only comment if anyone has anything postitive to contribute in terms of helping with the issue. Thanks again to those who are trying to do so.

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Old 07-24-2010, 12:15 PM   #65
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Is this the guy with a silly clown avatar on stars, pretty sure i have watched him Hu a ton of times, what a degen not to stick to a game he crushes

Gl with getting your money back op
Yes, it is. His 2p2 avatar is the same as his stars avatar
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:22 PM   #66
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What a jankball! I wish you the best of luck OP, please get some justice.
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:44 PM   #67
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I don't get how someone can go from that graph to busto and then bust a stake, wtf happened in his life
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:45 PM   #68
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lol at every paragraph in this post. Each one is more absurd than the next. This is the last troll post I will respond to.

1) every player who needs a stake needs one for a reason that makes them risky. It's the nature of the business.

2) sympathy. Not looking for it. Try reading the thread before you troll.
I was harsh on purpose not because I wanted to be an *******, but to prevent others from getting into similar staking disasters like you. I've probably read dozens of threads like this on 2+2 and everytime I'm amazed that people are willing to send big sums of money to complete strangers.

A good general rule is not to stake anyone unless you really know the person and know what you're doing. And don't stake for amounts you can't afford to lose.

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3) lol at the game passing him by. He is easily one of the best mid stakes HU regs on stars. The ptr post earlier indeed shows that I am down $10,000 to rossa. This is almost entirely from HU play and I am a 6pt winner starting tables this year.
If he can't stick to games he is +EV in it doesn't matter how good he supposedly is at NLHE HU. Based on PTR stats he is a huge PLO fish and a -3BB/100 loser at 6max 1kNLHE in 136k hands.
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:49 PM   #69
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lol at every paragraph in this post. Each one is more absurd than the next. This is the last troll post I will respond to.

1) every player who needs a stake needs one for a reason that makes them risky. It's the nature of the business.

2) sympathy. Not looking for it. Try reading the thread before you troll.

3) lol at the game passing him by. He is easily one of the best mid stakes HU regs on stars. The ptr post earlier indeed shows that I am down $10,000 to rossa. This is almost entirely from HU play and I am a 6pt winner starting tables this year.

I knew posting in BBV I would get a lot of troll posts, I did so anyways because it gets more traffic than other forums so I took a chance. I'm done defending myself, I don't mind the trolls I just want the posters of posts like this to realize they have no idea what they are talking about.

I will continue to read the thread, but only comment if anyone has anything postitive to contribute in terms of helping with the issue. Thanks again to those who are trying to do so.

Jim
Did you post this thread anywhere else jim?
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:53 PM   #70
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http://de.pokerstrategy.com/forum/th...user=0&page=12

this is the german blog of rossa. in the first paragraph that he wants to play nl5k and nl1k hu regulary within the next 7 months it looks like he can grind nl10 from now on
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:58 PM   #71
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I have to admit that I did a similar thing to my staker, just on a way lesser stakes. We had a normal deal going for a while without any problems and, long story short, at some point in a moment of complete madness I went to PLO RUSH (instead of NLHU that I was being staked for) and lost a bunch. However, I let him know about him immediatelly and am still waiting on his decision on the matter, if he stops staking me I am definitely not going to run away and pay what I owe him, that is the least I can do. I mean how can someone live with that if they run away, I can't really understand. I owe the guy like 10x less and I feel sick about myself every single day, how much of a douchebag you have to be to be able to just dissapear when owing 25k is beyond my imagination.

Best of luck mate!
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:07 PM   #72
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gl OP, it sounds like you know what you are doing and you certainly aren't looking for sympathy. hopefully you get some $ back.

have you ever considered the idea below?

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People should stop treating poker like an underground criminal enterprise...get a signed legal contract before you give somebody large amounts of money ffs.

all it would take is a simple phone call to your attorney and instructions to create a document that your horse can fill out before the stake....


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Old 07-24-2010, 01:07 PM   #73
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I don't get how someone can go from that graph to busto and then bust a stake, wtf happened in his life
Thats what i was thinking, Seriously i dont play stars but have watched this guy 000s of times and he crushes HU, just seems so strange whats happened to him. Am also positive ive seen him playing 2/5k hu sngs over time.
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:08 PM   #74
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gl OP, it sounds like you know what you are doing and you certainly aren't looking for sympathy. hopefully you get some $ back.

have you ever considered the idea below?




all it would take is a simple phone call to your attorney and instructions to create a document that your horse can fill out before the stake....


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Current US legislation this could not happen
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:41 PM   #75
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Hi Jim. Sucks you lost the money and I hope you get it back. But you are a moron as demonstrated in this thread and suck at poker.

Thanks,

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