I 4-table rush and over the last 155 hours I have played 155k hands, which would already be 250hands/table per hour and I'm playing far from nitty, plus at times sitting out on 1 or 2 tables to review a hand or take some notes. So if OP plays a bit more nitty for the challenge and is not on sit-out etc I would say 300 hands per hours should be attainable.
On the other hand may estimate for stars may also have been on the high side, so 4x the amount per table still seems about right.

it'll take 6 months to get it set up with the rate at which OP posts ITT

The more tables you play the lower your hands/hour per table goes. I get 1100-1200 4-tabling, but whenever I try to play like 8 tables of rush hands/hour is far from 2200-2400, more like 1800ish. This is for FR fwiw.

Dunno what kind of sick mind could do this but I'd prolly have to bet against @ 3-1. Hope this ends up happening.

I'm reading everything. I'm going to talk to Full Tilt about it next week and hopefully make it an official event. Maybe they can make a page that will track every hand and stuff.

The chances of me making this prop bet are very high, I just want some more opinions from certain people about what a fair line is for the bets. I also want to make sure I can get enough action, I'm probably looking to put up $10k - $25k.

I'd say 12 Rush tables is equivalent to 36 - 40 tables.

This. The number is even lower for 6-max because you're involved in more hands.

When OP played 12 tables of Rush, a mixture of 6-max and FR, he managed 20k hands over 10 hours, so 2k hands per hour. At a guess, another 4 tables would bring him to 2.5k per hour. At that rate, 24 hours of solid grinding with no breaks gives him exactly 60k hands.

On the other hand, I imagine he can actually do more than 2.5k/hour or he would not be offering this bet...

how much rakeback would be generated for 60k hands? at 1/2, .5/1, .25/.50, .1/.25....anyone have any numbers/rough guesses?

can't play - 60k hands. cant even play - 1 hand

100%

Enough to pay off the U.S. national debt.

play 16 tables of all the smaller stakes and literally just constantly click in the quickfold spot (stacking tbls obv) until you hit the amount of hands and then play higher higher to make the badoobas

ez game

wow you are the first to suggest such a thing, good job!

I would bet against at 3:1, assuming you accept small enough units of action. This is a cool idea whether you pull it off or not.

I read the entire thread

seems like we need a full outline for the entire prop before anything actually happens.
Rules, what ifs?, conditions etc

This is the first time I do something like this, I'm going to wait until its clear what/if Full Tilt wants to do with this. It will probably be the same rules/guidelines as most of the other similar prop bets.

bump

He can still switch to multiple styles with varying degrees of tightness preflop that would directly correlate to hands/hr. He may not need 16 tables. Perhaps he is enough of a winner at his normal game, that the profit part is a lock, so he could change to an alternate pf strategy at any point he desires that produces 10-20% more hands/hr than his normal game and a lower winrate. If he is an excellent player with many million rush hands he can probably find a pf strat that makes him breakeven and gives him 20% more hands/hr than his normal, optimal play.

Now imagine every 30 minutes for the whole 24 hours he switches pf strategies like this, with a 1:1 balance between his normal game and this breakeven but faster game. He still has a positive winrate for the period (albeit half what it could have been), with a net increase of 10% to hands/hr. If he is up enough from playing half breakeven and half normal he could even switch to a losing preflop style at any time if it would further accelerate the hands he could put in. This winrate/handrate tradeoff is unique to a game in which the hand ends when you fold, and as others have so meticulously pointed out, not achieved by adding more tables, since there is always a limit to how fast he can click. He could well do this on his normal 12.

I am likely oversimplifying his actual strategy but his edge here has to come from this element and from people not thoroughly understanding how performance in rush is affected by certain variables. Do not liberally apply your 24- and 40- tabler concepts of cause-effect relationships here, BBV. The guy's been planning this since April and he's pretty damn good.

I'm not trying to kill your action, sir, but you'd probably get 25k of it at 2.5:1 or 2:1, which I suspect are closer to your real odds.

_myst_, do u plan on playing the full 24 hours or taking an hour or two for breaks and playing 22-23 hours, also how many rush tables will u be playing? im guessing 16 is the max ur allowed to play?

I guess he can gauge that at any point he makes a certain profit then he can insta-fold a certain amount of hands.

Can't be bothered to do any maths on that, but any time he wins a 100bb stack, he effectively gains 99bb to fold away as fast as possible.

So if he were to run good early on, he'd then be able to fold fold fold until he was reaching slight profit.

That is to say, if he makes enough early on at a low level (I know it's in bb but lower level is obviously much easier) the bet becomes how fast he can fold.

Why change it every hour?

He could play 12 hrs at a normal style at or slightly behind pace. At this point, since we know he can crush these micro games he has a good amount of profit. He then changes to open shoving a certain range of hands and folding everything else.

The only problem I see is that he wouldnt be able to do this if he was deep on tables with other players.

Hey marc good luck on your bet. I used to play 1/2 NL with you at Oceans in Ottawa lol. I guess things worked out for you well. Congrats on the success and I hope you win this bet.

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