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Poll: Shortstackers not wanted @ what level?

View Poll Results: Shortstackers not wanted @ what level and up

0.25-0.50+

71 47.33%

0.5-1+

10 6.67%

1-2+

20 13.33%

2-4+

11 7.33%

3-6+

6 4.00%

5-10+

13 8.67%

10-20+

19 12.67%

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02-15-2008 , 11:37 PM

Jehaim

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Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,055

Shortstackers not wanted @ what level and up?

I mean, at what level are all the shortstackers combined (pro's and fish) doing more harm than good for the average winning fullstack player?

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02-15-2008 , 11:43 PM

Spechel EDD

CONFIRMED GIRL IRL

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14,076

most of them suck, i want them at every level. its not my fault people cant adjust to them.

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02-15-2008 , 11:46 PM

Conan776

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,748

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Originally Posted by Spechel EDD

most of them suck, i want them at every level. its not my fault people cant adjust to them.

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02-15-2008 , 11:54 PM

Jehaim

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Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,055

I would think its at 1k nl and up.

But I dont play 1k.

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02-15-2008 , 11:56 PM

Spechel EDD

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Originally Posted by Jehaim

So more harm than good comes from people buying in with 10 dollar @0.25-0.50?

Care to elaborate?

they suck

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02-15-2008 , 11:56 PM

Spechel EDD

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Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14,076

OH SHI SNIPED YOUR POST BEFORE THE NINJA EDIT

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02-16-2008 , 12:01 AM

Jehaim

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Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,055

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Originally Posted by Spechel EDD

OH SHI SNIPED YOUR POST BEFORE THE NINJA EDIT

I lolled at the 'care to elaborate' part.

Edit.

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02-16-2008 , 12:25 AM

iDonk2413

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 136

you cant playm at 50NL HU, the rake's too high imo

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02-16-2008 , 12:29 AM

NLSoldier

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Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 24,252

5/10 imo. anyone at all good at shortstacking is gonna be playing at least 5/10.

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02-16-2008 , 12:50 AM

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iDonk2413

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 136

****

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02-16-2008 , 03:10 AM

#11

Wolitzer

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,515

Shortstackers are great for the games. It's annoying when suddenly 3 pop onto the same table but it's a quick 20bbs if you can adjust to them considering the majority at lower levels are ****** ******s.

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02-16-2008 , 03:36 AM

#12

Andynan

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 27,680

how do you have such a large edge on a decent shortstacker that you consider them a quick 20bb's ? I think u'd be pretty neutral ev at most if you adapt well, and basically never hugely +ev.

I mean at 3/6+

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02-16-2008 , 03:39 AM

#13

Wolitzer

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,515

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Originally Posted by Andynan

I'm talking below 3/6 anyway.

There's very few shortstackers who actually know what they're doing at SSNL.

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02-16-2008 , 05:35 AM

#14

DanielDayLewis

banned

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 677

I think the bad ones outweigh the decent ones starting at 25/50. I'd still like to be able to raise 78s from the CO without having to fold to button shoving at any level though.

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02-16-2008 , 05:21 PM

#15

flight2q

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,258

There isn't any short stacker I see that I mind having at the table. Don't like it though when half the table is short; if I wanted to play for smaller stakes, then I'd sit at a smaller stake table. I do think the sites should just change the min to 40BB.

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02-16-2008 , 05:24 PM

#16

TheMetetron

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Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,549

soilerisrightasalways

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02-16-2008 , 06:19 PM

#17

NoahSD

Is Right

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 18,843

The main problem isn't shortstacking, it's ratholing. They might as well get rid of that at every level.

NLSoldier is right that shortstacking starts to be a legit problem at 5/10. At really bad times of day when the games are all regs, 3/6 too.

If the sites don't wanna get rid of ratholign for whatever reason, they should just up the buy-in to 35 BBs.

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02-16-2008 , 07:46 PM

#18

ImsaKidd

CHOO CHOO

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 20,758

5/10 is infested now but thats ok because they are lol bad.

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02-16-2008 , 09:39 PM

#19

Evoken

2014 Golden Loco

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 10,302

all of them? lol. Most of them are stupid fish who'd play equally ******ed fullstacked anyway, it'd just mean more monies. Of course I play microstakes so maybe there are some smarter shorties up there. Hell I wish every site converted to 200bb max 100bbmin at all levels, bigger stacks, bigger edge, imo.

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02-16-2008 , 10:08 PM

#20

members_only

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,650

the crazy thing is that you sometimes see people shortstacking, as in properly shortstacking at 100 and 200 NL.... how low can you get?

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02-16-2008 , 10:12 PM

#21

dysthymia

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 151

dude shortstackings at all limits is bad because it means the amount of money you can take off of your opponents is reduced.

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02-16-2008 , 10:18 PM

#22

ImsaKidd

CHOO CHOO

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 20,758

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Originally Posted by dysthymia

dude shortstackings at all limits is bad because it means the amount of money you can take off of your opponents is reduced.

But if you suck you minimize losses!

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02-16-2008 , 11:14 PM

#23

kkcountry

BBV MS Paint Rapid Response Squad

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 31,263

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Originally Posted by ImsaKidd

But if you suck you minimize losses!

and maximize vpps!

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02-17-2008 , 12:07 AM

#24

urbe

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 587

I hate shortstackers I'd rather play good players with full buy in. Why you ask? because all they do is shove and its embarrasing so have to call with the usual 74 suited. I hate them. Then you finally stack them, and you get a grand prize of uhm 10bbs awesome yay