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Pokerstars looks like it's rigged. Pokerstars looks like it's rigged.

10-02-2021 , 03:10 PM
Some background info about me. I've been playing solely 6 NL Hold'em online poker since 2004 t0 around 2012-2013 a lot, mainly on the Ongame Network. I climbed from $50 bankroll to playing $500 - 1000 NL

After Black Friday my volume dropped due to less rakeback and being scammed by Lock Poker (holding thousands of $ never paid from Cake Poker) but I picked up online poker again in 2016-2017, mainly at Party Poker. Ironically, on this network I've witnessed things I never did before, which is why I was barely making any profits at 10 NL, and never moved up.

Now that pokerstars updated their rakeback structure after putting some volume on day 1 things are looking grim, where my experience becomes similar to party (the tech these clients use). What I am paying attention is less on variance, and more in the way I lose the $, and both of these networks so far have one thing in common.

I lose consistently to "run it once" accounts (so I can lose all my money when consistently favourite), and as the hand data becomes larger so is my certainty. Now, the question is not if the software is "rigged", but by how much, like from 20-80%. When the player pool is also accounts mainly from Ukraine, Russia and Romania where the average monthly salary is $300-400, and with many other developed countries either imposing more restrictions or taxes, I can pretty much say that in 2021 online poker is still more under Black Friday than ever.

At the end the player pool is the biggest indicator that something is wrong when a network is available to millions, yet after decades it maintains a small pool of unique players. If a large amount of players aren't making $ and enough to start a career out of online poker, this is the end result.

Last edited by Hronmeer; 10-02-2021 at 03:16 PM.
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10-02-2021 , 04:10 PM
So you were beating poker between 2004 and 2013, and now you can't beat it anymore.

Welcome to the club.
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10-02-2021 , 05:36 PM
Op's post is all over the place.
In all honesty game were super soft and OP was sun running between 2004 and 2013. Games are now a lot tougher, OP prob not running great = new reality.
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10-02-2021 , 06:03 PM
Morph, you own a PokerStars. Is this true?
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10-02-2021 , 06:47 PM
Move down to 2NL to acquire some experience.
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10-02-2021 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
Morph, you own a PokerStars. Is this true?
Only if you have "run it twice" ticked.
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10-03-2021 , 04:47 AM
Russia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine is the player pool. Of course, it makes absolutely no sense anyone living in a developed country to grind online poker vs these countries if their expenses are way higher with the current rake, having opportunities to earn a lot more from minimum wage jobs, and countries like U.S and Australia banned or Netherlands, Germany, U.K. etc. taxed or restricted. Sadly, it will be decades later before the online poker industry will be much, because these things take decades before they sort itself out.
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10-03-2021 , 08:34 AM
The only thing wrong is your entitlement. Its like you feel like you deserve to win. Improve your game and play to win those $.
Stop complaining and do the work if you want to survive in this game, otherwise go work in 1st world jobs and earn more than 30$/hr

Last edited by oneselfishguy; 10-03-2021 at 08:40 AM.
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10-04-2021 , 12:28 AM
I haven't played on Pokerstars so I can't say from experience but I would tell you that you should go with your gut. If you feel that it is rigged, then don't play. There very easy ways to know if a site is rigged or not. It is simple math and if the math doesn't add up then it is rigged. Does Pokerstars give you their hand histories? If they do then download them and load into pokertracker or something and then analyze the data. Also keep note of some hands to make sure they aren't manipulating the HH because some sites do that. Just make a note of each hand that you get dealt on a piece of paper so that you can verify the HH haven't been tampered with.

Here are some thing that you can filter to check if you are getting a fair distribution of cards.

Run a filter for how often you:

flop a pair with any two unpaired cards - (30%)

flop a set with a pocket pair = (12%)

flush draw on the flop & how often you get a flush on the turn/river = (25%/35%)

How often you are dealt a pocket pair = (12%)

Then some things to look for is

How many bluffs worked

How many times someone called with a worse hand on the river

if they both are low then that is evidence of (sue-purr you-zers)
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10-04-2021 , 02:19 AM
Such simple math, yet no one has proved a rig. I assume that you must think it's not rigged then?
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10-04-2021 , 07:16 AM
i rigged it
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10-04-2021 , 09:39 AM
After further testing over the weekend I can confirm it's 99.99% rigged, and the more challenging part is to determine how much $ players are losing EV long term, because it looks like the rig level is set between 25-50% from 1-100%

One thing in common both party poker and poker stars using to rig is house accounts set on run it once mode, so they can consistently win the full amount.

I was hoping stars would learn something after trying to bring back hundreds of thousands who've been victims, who've came, lost $ and left over the decades after the changes to rake recently.
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10-04-2021 , 01:34 PM
Adds up.
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10-04-2021 , 01:43 PM
47% rigged is the sweet spot.
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10-04-2021 , 06:43 PM
I dont know, when I read your sweet post of mary, part of me wants tu hug you.

Im a victim too.

#saynotovictimsproduction
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10-05-2021 , 05:28 AM
Franko is right
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10-05-2021 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Such simple math, yet no one has proved a rig. I assume that you must think it's not rigged then?
what are you talking about? I can prove it is rigged. It is really easy to prove it is rigged.

Would you like the evidence?

Better yet you don't even need my evidence, just go play on GGPoker yourself and tell me it isn't rigged. Go ahead, I'll wait ..
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10-05-2021 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FranFran
I dont know, when I read your sweet post of mary, part of me wants tu hug you.

Im a victim too.

#saynotovictimsproduction
I don't know if you were referencing me or not but when I get money stolen from me and I get cheated then I yes I would consider myself a victim of theft and fraud. The law actually defines that. These clowns are gonna be legalized and regulated in the states soon. It won't matter though because nobody is playing online poker anymore cuz the sites steal and cheat the players. As obvious as they are making it, I think these sites are just a front and the real purpose they serve is to launder money or give money from one criminal to another without being tracked by the government
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10-05-2021 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by itsnotrandom
what are you talking about? I can prove it is rigged. It is really easy to prove it is rigged.



Would you like the evidence?



Better yet you don't even need my evidence, just go play on GGPoker yourself and tell me it isn't rigged. Go ahead, I'll wait ..
Yes please. We would absolutely love to see your evidence.
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10-05-2021 , 07:19 AM
What would you like? Your wish is my command
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10-05-2021 , 07:22 AM
Like I said, the evidence you have collected. Pasting in here will be fine.
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10-05-2021 , 07:25 AM
I'm going to need you to be more specific ... you tell me what you want and I will provide it to you. You want HH? You want stats? You want video?

You tell me what you want and be specific. Tell me what would prove it is rigged.
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10-05-2021 , 07:27 AM
Yeh would love some HH's and stats please
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10-05-2021 , 07:29 AM
ok for which site and what stats?

I said be specific and tell me first what would prove it is rigged?
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10-05-2021 , 07:35 AM
Well seeing as this thread is about PS, lets go with that shall we ?

Any stats you like.

What would prove it's rigged? Well, your evidence obviously.....
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