I started playing on ggpoker a couple of months ago and the badbeats i recibe are amazinggggg, like everyday i get badbeated by very rare hands, and commonly this players are chinese with no stats in games only mtts and very little winnings, not even sping and go stats that are free on gg with the daily free spins, i started to think there are bots by gg and know the outs on turns and rivers otherwise the decisions this players made are nonse totally.

I play like 15 to 20 mtts a day and literally allways get badbeats with 1%, 5%, 9%, rarely i push in disadvantaje but allways lose and versus the worst calls like no equity, last hand of today agains one of this players that i know i was ahead and he is going to call with any two and win:




Hands like this happens to me everyday, i know there is variance and sometimes is extreme but this nonsense calls and pushs with almost no equity and getting the 2 outers most of the time and calling so fast makes me wonder if this players are bots from gg, cant believe someone will play sooo bad and with 0 logic and still win me most of the times, and allways chinese and no stats players.....

I want to believe this is just veeery bad players and just running bad but already started to mess with my head the possibility this are bots

Bots would make perfect play not suckouts.

Focus on knowing if the hand was correctly played, not the result, otherwise you're already dead playing this game.

But the only possibility if this where bots are that the bots ARE from gg, thats what im saying, making you push good hands knowing the runnout and calling with hands like the example, i know a bot from 3d person will play somehow gto, i dont feel that, i only feel cheated everytime i loss against this chinese no logic players

Called pre and checked flop, both mistakes and you lucked out on the first one then threw your luck away.

can you explain why is a mistake? you look like you have no idea.

First of all this was a bounty MTT, and the player on the button was 3betting any two, the other one was a calling station also with very loose ranges, so why look like a mistake calling the 3bet from bb to bu to a player like this? and secondly, why checking the flop was also incorrect?

Donking OOP Top pair against a calling station and the chinese that cbets big every trash hand he has?

and going back to the MAIN POINT, im not discusing if my call was correct or not, just this chinese with no stats weird names and weirdest calls with nonsense no equity hands winning me every other mtt from months now

Ok I am an idiot then professor. This is what happens when you give an opponent who is betting everything control of the hand.

Regarding this, if you feel there is an issue with game integrity, gather the evidence you have and forward it to in this case the regulator the "Isle of Man Gambling Supervision Commission". If your concerns haven't been met satisfactorily then it would be wise to stop playing there.

No point in continuing on a site you can't trust.

I feel like this is the cheap answer that doesn't address legitimate concerns when they do arise.

I don't think the poster is correct in this instance, based on what occurred; but....doesn't mean he's not accidentally correct about something that's been claimed by many users for years.

Blindly believing a site is on the up and up is just as silly as blindly believing they're using house bots. Evidence is needed, sure, but the burden of evidence is so damn high that barring an immense hand history, it'd be very hard to provide much evidence at all.

Some users even state that hand history isn't enough, because 'we're all too dumb to know how to analyze HH'. Let's assume they are correct; almost everyone here is capable of hiring a mathematician to perform the math on a level that can't be denied.

I don't know one way or the other; but if I'm being honest; if I ran a website that hosted poker; you bet your ass I'm using house bots if I can get away with it. You know what's better than a boatload of money? Two boatloads of money.

Let me put it another way; if the website I play on said "Hey, we want you to play as a house player; you'll have xyz privelege" ---- I'm taking that deal even if it's a potripper scenario. You can cry morality all you want; but I like money more than I like morals. I'd probably wait for the website to go defunct before ever telling anyone.

Exactly, It´s very hard to present evidence, and is very easy to be dismissed, even if evidence is solid you can be tell this was just variance. And yes, i will take the money also and maybe i will tell people if the site go defunct but there is no legal consecuences for me.

I dont have other options to play here en argentina

MTTs are super high variance, your mind is not capable yet to comprehend this.

One suck out after another is totally common in poker. You can stop playing on GG, eventually you will run this bad again on another site.

Or you get used to it, or simply give up on MTTs, go play cash.

Yes i know of course i wont give up, the thing i dont feel it´s variance, because of the stated above, somethimes i will play pre ft tables and suddenly a chinese with low vpip dont participating in the game will insta call the weirdeist hands with no equity in the most dangerous and out of logic boards like the one in the example and runner runner my own elimination, i just feel cheated really lately, its not a matter of variance or badbeats when this tipe of plays happens to me

This is something I don't understand; because my experience has been the opposite; but I do know you're correct based on everything I've read. I don't have that many cash games; but played enough and got sucked out on enough to know it's nowhere near as profitable for me as tournaments are. (I'm down like 1500 from cash games, and up about 3k from tourneys past month)

wow a 60/40 beat in a $1 tournament!

But in cash you can loose money very quick if running bad, in Mtts if you run good in the beggining it will be very hard to loose money in the long run, in cash you get more instant Ev but more risk to have big losses

A wise man said ''if you see too many bad beats you are too tight''

I like to see it like im shoving and playing superior equity hands, if you dont push with big equity advantaje you can´t get badbeated, so its a nice indicator that you will be winning in the long run, i don´t think a nit or very tight player will recibe alot of badbeats because of having more of the time nutted hands.

You have to take into consideration that in freerolls and low dollar tournaments, players act less economically rational. They are there to gamble.

Only fools play games where they believe(probably correctly) they are being cheated. Note all all the whiners demand you present evidence you are being cheated but feel no need to provide evidence themselves the site is honest. The site is run by humans and humans are known to cheat.

I'm from Argentina and as far as I know you can play on: PS, RedStar (Ipoker), WPN and even for pesos on Bet365 which is now regulated. Not claiming the rake on Bet365 is any good -for us players- but could you tell me why don't you play on PS if you think GG's integrity is compromised?

PS: if you want to be taken seriously here gather information, show it and last but not least don't create a thread in this section of the forum but the thread dedicated to GGPoker.

I Only play mtts, tried redstar and bet365 but for mtts they have low traffic at least when i played there, and in pokerstars i oppened my first account when i was underage and i recibed a permaban i think, this was 12 years ago, i could send a email to ask if i can get unbanned but i doubt it, and WPN i dont like the mtts structure but they use to have great freerolls last year, i made 2k with these freerolls and withdrawed all when they removed them, maybe acr is the only good option to play mtts aside to PS and GG.

If your aim is to play MTT's then yes: your only option is GG. Btw, I also made an account on PS at age of 16 and I've been playing poker since. The thing is I used my father's info so it all went smoothly. If I were you I'd ask PS support to see if they even still have your account's data given there were so many changes in ten years that it wouldn't surprise me if they said there are no records of an account under your name.
Send them a message along these lines "My name is X and I don't know if I have an account on PS" give them some more information about you and after a quick research they'll tell you. I think they might have erased any trace of it, or maybe not. You have nothing to lose so go for it; however, I wouldn't feel completely safe.
About GG: I also think playing the lowest stakes many moves would feel surreal like calling you with air and hitting on the turn/river. Just an anecdote: I was 18 yo playing at Casino Buenos Aires and some guy called my all in on the turn with Q high because "he wanted to see what the young lad had". The moral of the story is when certain stakes mean nothing to the player he or she can follow ridiculous lines just because they don't care about losing, eventually they'll suck out on you and you'll remember each time that happened: pay attention to all the times people played horribly and you won.
My 2 cents, GL.

Yes definetily i will send the email thanks for the idea, hopefully there is no trace of my persona, other option will be to play with my gf information as she offered me to use but idk, i dont want to get broke if we split up and she takes my BR haha.

And yes i understand that in microstakes people will play very random, but i had 2 months in a row of losing most of the mtts against the most awful hands playing a good volume, so it messed with my head, maybe im starting to realize how crushing variance can be

Can somebody check their hand history for user ids that are just numbers and no letters?

Literally last 3 mtts of the day against people that i marked yellow because badbeated me or other people terribly and had no stats on spins: