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12-14-2010 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
I once made a bet with a friend that he couldn't walk a few miles in my city without wearing shoes. he wore socks, and i learned a valuable lesson about props.
That's completely different than this.

If some guy made a bet saying he can play 2M hands in a month with no other rules specified, it is 100% ok for him to play play money and fold every hand and it is 100% not ok for people betting against him to sit at his tables and time down. The standard spirit of the bet in these "I bet I can do this" props is that they're betting they can do it without interference.

If you don't buy that argument, though, you can read the rules of the bet. Rule 2 that I quoted says quite clearly that bettors can't interfere.


(I haven't read much of this thread... Was just lniked here by someone else. It's possible that I'm missing something.)
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12-14-2010 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
because that's what matters. it was used to clarify an ambiguously worded rule.
This is logically flawed. If what is outside the brackets did not matter you would only have what is inside the brackets in the sentence.
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12-14-2010 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
because this is ethics not morals?
quoted so you can't edit

fees, this is pretty lame
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12-14-2010 , 08:09 PM
nvm, fail

Last edited by calvinzorr; 12-14-2010 at 08:12 PM. Reason: ninja edit
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12-14-2010 , 08:11 PM
Guys,

I have two kids at home with the flu, I'm leaving work now, and I'll be back on later tonight. I'd appreciate it if you wait for me to post before you go spam this in other forums/threads.

Thanks.
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12-14-2010 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by calvinzorr
Jalex:



Should be getting a conclusion soon...
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12-14-2010 , 08:12 PM
how about blocking fees tables if the judge rules out in his favour.
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12-14-2010 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
It's a gay spot but this is why you make the rules thorough/explicit. there should have been something in the rules about this but there isnt. oh well.
what part of fees intentions to win 50 ugl dont affect the bet??

there is no grey area here, his intentions are to win ugl so silent one loses the bet

direct intent there....
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12-14-2010 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jalexand42
Guys,

I have two kids at home with the flu, I'm leaving work now, and I'll be back on later tonight. I'd appreciate it if you wait for me to post before you go spam this in other forums/threads.

Thanks.
priorities man. take ur time. fix them kids.
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12-14-2010 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
I once made a bet with a friend that he couldn't walk a few miles in my city without wearing shoes. he wore socks, and i learned a valuable lesson about props.
and hopefully you learned about socks too, right?
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12-14-2010 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverMustelid
This is logically flawed. If what is outside the brackets did not matter you would only have what is inside the brackets in the sentence.
whats outside the brackets is explicitly defined by what is inside.

and that delightful story about my mile walk prop bet gone wrong, was only brought up to elaborate on why you need to cover all of your bases in a bet.
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12-14-2010 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jalexand42
Guys,

I have two kids at home with the flu, I'm leaving work now, and I'll be back on later tonight. I'd appreciate it if you wait for me to post before you go spam this in other forums/threads.

Thanks.
Is it okay if I keep repeating what a cheating, scamming POS Fees is and how I hope this ruins his coaching career and he gets bumhunted until busto? I will keep it to this thread.

Spoiler:
Fees is a scumbag angle shooting POS regardless of final verdict.
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12-14-2010 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chrismystero
priorities man. take ur time. fix them kids.
this * 1000

King Fish, i like ur posts. if u were a fine woman i´d come for ya.

omg, going to sleep now, bet i have to read 250+ new posts tomorrow.
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12-14-2010 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NomoneyHU.
People will always try to find angles to try to make more money. Human mentality I guess.
are you saying fee goes by the philosophy of eat or be eaten?
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12-14-2010 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by franxic
this * 1000

King Fish, i like ur posts. if u were a fine woman i´d come for ya.
It's because we share that German sense of humor.

Spoiler:
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12-14-2010 , 08:22 PM
According to the rules and the spirit of the bet, there is no problem with fees playing nl50hu and going for the propbet. He's still obviously a dog and started later, but he in no way affects silent's play at the tables. If there was something shady going on that would be different, but he's just grinding it out. With fees only playing hu, he cannot be possibly be interfering with silent playing. The clause in the rules implies people stalling at the op's tables and/or people gunning for him and trying to take his money affect the table he's at.

Next,

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Originally Posted by the_most10
me n fees are doing my 2.5k to his 25k -- escrowed through WCGrider
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Originally Posted by Silent_0ne
I know a friend of Fees and his friend said he was legit and everything. alittle after the bet started and action was full, fees approached me and my friend about taking additional action at 10 to 1. my friend and I took an additional 2.5k to his 25k and escrowed to wcgrider. the bet was under the assumption that the same rules as the 100nl bet were going to be used, and whatever the judge decides would be final.

This is the person who bet with fees. Silent if this is you, what other action and **** have you done on random or different 2p2 accounts? If you were going to take another $25k against you why not do it under your own 2p2 name? I had no idea you had more then $40k against you and neither did kerpowski.

And apparently this guy/you bet against you in the nl100 bet and now bet with/for you in this prop bet? And "the_most"/you blocking fees tables...

At first I just thought that you were either insane luckboxing or just ****ing destroying nl50, but tbh the likelihood that something fishy is going on in my mind is increasing.

Is the_most one of the people sitting in the room with you while you play?

gl

FURTHERMORE, Silent didn't even make the propbet with Fees.

Last edited by Jeffmet3; 12-14-2010 at 08:29 PM.
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12-14-2010 , 08:22 PM
Deleted my old post to make this unarguable.

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2. Actions must be in accordance with the intent of having a fair prop bet.
fair a : marked by impartiality and honesty : free from self-interest, prejudice, or favoritism
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12-14-2010 , 08:23 PM
So who is for forfeiting the 25k of fees by current actions?
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12-14-2010 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruut99
So who is for forfeiting the 25k of fees by current actions?
naw. i dont think he affects the bet by playing HU tables unless he is ahead of silentone at some point
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12-14-2010 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
It's because we share that German sense of humor.

Spoiler:
i lol´d again. getting a boner.

Last edited by franxic; 12-14-2010 at 08:26 PM. Reason: best. spoiler. ever.
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12-14-2010 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LetMeLive
quoted so you can't edit

fees, this is pretty lame
if the majority of unbiased/not busto members of the poker community deem it unethical, then it is. until that happens all you have is crappy rules in place.
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12-14-2010 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
1. Fair prop bet = following the rules.

2. No actions (chip dumping, collusion, ghosting/coaching players on Silent_0ne's tables, etc)

fees isn't doing any of the above, and the phrase et cetera wouldn't extend to "fees winning UGL" because fees winning ugl would not fit the list described. he isn't cheating the game of poker.

whether it's absurd or not is a different story. but this is the nature of prop betting. which is why it's standard to have spirit of the bet rule + multiple judges.
except only 2 of the 3 examples given are cheating the game of poker

ghosting/coaching players is not cheating but is apparently against the spirit of the rules of this prop bet
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12-14-2010 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruut99
So who is for forfeiting the 25k of fees by current actions?
because he didn't affect silent's play or results I think he might get away with this.
but just for fun I would love that he loses, and give this kid a bonus for the effort and the good heart he has.
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12-14-2010 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
naw. i dont think he affects the bet by playing HU tables unless he is ahead of silentone at some point
valid point
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12-14-2010 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow
except only 2 of the 3 examples given are cheating the game of poker

ghosting/coaching players is not cheating but is apparently against the spirit of the rules of this prop bet
ghosting has already been determined to be really unethical by everyone, but since you can't prove it you just shrug and move on.
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