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07-21-2009 , 05:57 PM
**Update**

Addendum:

1A. Ballcup’s profit must be greater than $0 at the end of the challenge if SuperNova Elite is acquired, by December 31, 2009 at 11:59pm. Profits include: All money made at the tables while playing, FPP store cash bonuses, SuperNova Mile Stone Bonuses, 10k SuperNova Elite cash bonus (this is an alternative to a trip package that you can just receive cash for). What is NOT included in profit: Reload bonuses, trip packages for SuperNova Elite (i.e. 10k buy-in at Monte Carlo, WSOP 2010 Main Event, etc.), any money earned in VIP Tournaments. My profit can be verified through the official poker stars option ‘Playing History Audit.’ This can be verified by the judges or user Scottyy from the VIP Program at PokerStars. Holdem manager can also be used as a tool if needed, but I figured that would be our last resort, and might make people feel inconclusive about the true results. If my profit as stated above is not greater than 0 by December 31, 2009 at 11:59pm, ballcup, losses the bet. If my profit as stated above is greater than 0 by December 31, 2009 at 11:59pm, Ballcup, wins the bet. Just To be clear: Example 1: If SuperNova Elite is acquired, for example, on December 23, 2009, ballcup still has till December 31, 2009 at 11:59pm, to profit greater than 0. Example 2: If SuperNova Elite is acquired by December 23, 2009, and ballcup has a profit greater than 0, Ballcup has won the bet.

Last edited by citanul; 03-12-2010 at 12:20 AM. Reason: real name removed.
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07-21-2009 , 06:00 PM
i was also ready to bet if it stipulated profit > 0 -- pure profit at the tables, not counting bonuses or anything. i still think it's a very difficult undertaking and the odds are fair, i'm just a nit and i don't think i like my edge enough without that clause

gl to you stalrock
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07-21-2009 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Tall
Yes, no animation would also clear up computer lag issues.

The human eye is evolved to picking up motion, esp out of the your peripheral vision. Think like...caveman hunting, this is obviously a huge advantage to a carnivore when something runs out of a field/bushes that is out of your forward vision. Your brain picks up all this motion and is processing it. This will obv tire you over a long period of time.
this is some good advice. tyty.
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07-21-2009 , 06:30 PM
is OP single?
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07-21-2009 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by thanksb
is OP single?
has to be..

gl
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07-21-2009 , 06:44 PM
In regards to Addendum 1A. This has never been a profit bet, and what the OP is undertaking is pretty grueling in of itself (hence why no one has ever done it). We just created that so people had 'something' to show he is not just throwing the challenge to free roll into the money.
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07-21-2009 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Stalrock


I am currently playing 18 tables of 1/2 NL at 8 hours a day.
I have to maintain this pace for the remainder of the year. I’m pretty nervous and excited to get this bet off the ground! User ‘Scottyy’ on the 2+2 forum, who (as stated before) is the VIP coordinator for PokerStars VPPS program, has agreed to post daily updates of my progress, so this should be an exciting thing to watch.

The bet is going to fill up very fast, so PM Giles, or Prager quickly if you want in on the action!

Wish me Luck! (or failure)
As a correction. That was at 24 tables he could play 8+ hours a day everyday. With 18 tables he has to play 9.5 hours to keep pace.
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07-21-2009 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by shipontilt
i would wager up to about 6kish if there was a stip that profit has to be $0 >
[ ] understands ' < + > ' symbols
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07-21-2009 , 07:11 PM
How is BallCup only a Silver Star?
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07-21-2009 , 07:46 PM
goodluck ballcup
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07-21-2009 , 08:07 PM
omg, I have to say that this is a pretty sick bet =)

Good luck...
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07-21-2009 , 08:08 PM
sounds pretty sick.. gl
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07-21-2009 , 08:11 PM
Anyone stll taking action on this?
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07-21-2009 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by euler217
How is BallCup only a Silver Star?
[ ] Silver
[x] Platinum
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07-21-2009 , 08:14 PM
sick goodluck
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07-21-2009 , 08:26 PM
Please turn webcam-audio back on.
My therapist charges 300$/h for the same speech.
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07-21-2009 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by orestto
Are you still taking action on this?
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Originally Posted by giles
Yes. PM me if you're interested.
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Originally Posted by paulee
Anyone stll taking action on this?

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07-21-2009 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by e306
Please turn webcam-audio back on.
My therapist charges 300$/h for the same speech.
I think until all action is in. We are going to password protect the video stream to only users who have placed a wager.
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07-21-2009 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by thanksb
is OP single?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fer00m
has to be..

gl
Will be...


GL bro... Hope you make it.


OT
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07-21-2009 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Tall
What ballpark/field is that on the wall? Is that Fenway?

WTF are you doing w/animation on? You might do better without animation in the long run, your eyes naturally pick up motion and that much motion will tire them out.
stop coaching people how to be more effective mass tablers please lol thanks. I wonder if I should get coaching from you on these sort of issues before I play my million hands in a month

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Originally Posted by giles
We are willing to do this, however we want to include bonuses from the FPP store, and milestone bonuses as part of the 'profit.' Would you agree to this?
This is actually better but basically just means the same as it did before as I am sure there is no way he will lose 70k+ playing (or would hope not)
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07-21-2009 , 09:34 PM
GL man, hope u make it
All sick grinders on 2+2 kinda pull me behind, so i am tempted to play way more i would otherwise.
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07-21-2009 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
stop coaching people how to be more effective mass tablers please lol thanks. I wonder if I should get coaching from you on these sort of issues before I play my million hands in a month



This is actually better but basically just means the same as it did before as I am sure there is no way he will lose 70k+ playing (or would hope not)
Again, this bet is not intended to be a profit prop bet. The terms of the bet are currently not changing. The intention for this prop bet, by the challenger, is to bet in favor of himself, to play more hands of online poker than anyone has ever played in a 5.5 month time period, and essentially go from approx 40k VPPS to SuperNova Elite in 5.25 months. In the spirit of the bet he is attempting to play to beat the game.

For those that are asking for a positive winrate in the game, without including cash bonuses, is simply unrealistic, and the line for that would be much higher than 3 to 1. Cash bonuses, assuming he finishes the challenge, would total $90,000. So essentially you're asking him to make $90,001. Again this is not the prop bet that he has proposed. (and IMO asking him to make $90,000 while attempting to do something know other poker player has ever done, is a bit aggressive).

Last edited by giles; 07-21-2009 at 09:56 PM.
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07-21-2009 , 10:02 PM
can we get an updated graph during this? I think it'd be cool to see.
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07-21-2009 , 11:38 PM
2 million hands in 5.5 months is most ever? I am pretty sure I did pretty close to that in the same time span with only really trying 1 month and if he does set the "record" I am going to break it lol.

I understand what you are saying as regards to the profit but people are actually asking him to make .01 profit from playing as essentially he is getting to SNE for free at some point and its about putting in the volume which I know will be a challenge.

I also enjoy how you stress what no other poker player has ever done which is true to some extent but thats because most people would be smart about it and start at the beginning of the year.

EDitt: i would be in for betting 1k or so for the sweat of it also

Last edited by ChicagoJoey; 07-21-2009 at 11:55 PM.
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07-22-2009 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by prager
Hello All, Im Josh Prager (professor plum at full tilt, josh prager at stars, pesto at bodog, starbucks! at cake). I will be back at 11pm EST. today. Contact giles by PM or IM to place a bet against ballcup.


josh prager


i always wanted to know who the eff this was.
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